So recently there have been quite a few questions on CO2 regulators especially with regards to the best brand, quality etc. The general consensus is that when it comes to CO2 regulators, buy the best you can with what your budget allows. I myself have been reserving my funds to get a better co2 regulator instead of purchasing a cheaper one. A cheaper one may have its merits but chances are you might need one again in the near future and in my books thats a nono - I am not going to spend twice the amount for one product.
As Mike Holmes would say, "if you're going to do it once, do it right" and that is what I intend to do. I want a regulator that will last me a lifetime with quality parts. Many think that it costs one an arm and a leg but the fact of the the matter is that it really just costs as much as you want it to and not much more then what you would pay for a cheaper, low-end unit.
Over the weekend, Errol brought up an idea up and we decided to rally the troops. We're trying to see if there are others interested in this crusade to get the bang for your buck and get something that will last. We can get a group buy in for parts and perhaps save on unit prices as well as shipping. Then we can have a group-build session to build our regulators en-masse (perhaps our next Plantaholics meeting?).
Here is the regulator body that we're interested in pimping up (pretty much the best one out there apparently):
(https://www.ovas.ca/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.micromatic.com%2Fimages%2F3%2F300x300%2F642.jpg&hash=132027c5770513ce57e94629424b745e44757f4d)
http://www.micromatic.com/draft-keg-beer/regulators-pid-642.html (http://www.micromatic.com/draft-keg-beer/regulators-pid-642.html)
This should be fun and worthwhile so lets make it happen!
+1
I am down!! :)
Sounds like a good idea, count me in too!
I can check with eric fournier from linde to see if they have any good quality cheap co2 regulators as they are the worlds #1 supplier in gases and compressed gas bottles. Most likely the local airliquid guys have them too. I know i can most likely get a better price if multiple units are purchased at the same time
Anyone interested in that?
Quote from: Feivel on April 09, 2012, 07:22:08 PM
I can check with eric fournier from linde to see if they have any good quality cheap co2 regulators as they are the worlds #1 supplier in gases and compressed gas bottles. Most likely the local airliquid guys have them too. I know i can most likely get a better price if multiple units are purchased at the same time
Anyone interested in that?
Are you referring to regulators or CO2 Tanks? If its the latter, that would be sweeeeet!
Ummmm both really. Im a welder they are my suppliers. I should get an answer today from eric.they definately have co2 bottles for rent and regulators for sale. And if they dont then air liquide will. Linde also does refils. There by st laurent beside import auto (volvo) across from ideal roofing. It used to be BOC Gaz. Googlw search if intrrested. Anyone from gatineau can call vision industrielle and they have a WICKED online manual and there are TONS of regulators. U can pick wich one suits you best then i take that model/serial number run it to air liquide and get a bulk purchase price. Its always cheaper the more you buy. Oh and stay away from princess auto regulators ! Regulators are under very high pressures and are not to be messed with.
Cheers hope any of this helps
Thanks Feivel, Are you referring to air liquide here http://www.ca.airliquide.com/
(http://www.ca.airliquide.com/)? If so, they're on empress ave off of merivale in the industrial park area. I'd be interested in both a regulator and cylinder. I can't wait to hear what you find out!
Quote from: exv152 on April 10, 2012, 09:38:22 AM
Thanks Feivel, Are you referring to air liquide here http://www.ca.airliquide.com/
(http://www.ca.airliquide.com/)? If so, they're on empress ave off of merivale in the industrial park area. I'd be interested in both a regulator and cylinder. I can't wait to hear what you find out!
Typically gas companies don`t sell bottles/cylinder, they lease them on a swap out when you need gas.
I know the full size bottle os about 80$ for the year and about 100$ to fill. That lasts me welding at 8.5 hours a day at 35lbs psi lasts me about 2 3 weeks. Oh delivery is 30$ per tank per fill delivered to your door. Unless you can stand the bottle upright and are willing to travel to pick it up then u will save.
This is for the big bottles (think of your mechanix oxygen/acetylene cutting torch tanks)
Obviously chaper for the smaller tanks
Quote from: Feivel on April 10, 2012, 12:02:44 PMI know the full size bottle os about 80$ for the year and about 100$ to fill. That lasts me welding at 8.5 hours a day at 35lbs psi lasts me about 2 3 weeks. Oh delivery is 30$ per tank per fill delivered to your door. Unless you can stand the bottle upright and are willing to travel to pick it up then u will save.
This is for the big bottles (think of your mechanix oxygen/acetylene cutting torch tanks)
Obviously chaper for the smaller tanks
If you're filling your tank once, twice, or even three times a year, you're better off paying cash even if you assume it'll cost half the amount for the smaller tanks - the exchange and refill costs may not be worth it for us aquarists. I run a 10lbs tank on a 25g aquarium and I doubt I'll need to refill even once per year, so paying $140 to own your own, plus a $20-25 to refill is well worth my while.
For sure i totally agree. Just saying there is that option. The amount of gas in that tank would probably go stale before, you have a chance to use it all lol. Im sure the smaller tanks are much cheaper to rent. Just keep in mind to make static tests and pressure tests once every couple years to ma ke sure the cylinder isnt getting too fatigued from the contained pressure and/or bumping it in transport or damages also that all the seals are in check. Just thinking safety for you guys running those older tanks.
Food for thought
Cheers
Quote from: Feivel on April 10, 2012, 05:26:36 PM
For sure i totally agree. Just saying there is that option. The amount of gas in that tank would probably go stale before, you have a chance to use it all lol. Im sure the smaller tanks are much cheaper to rent. Just keep in mind to make static tests and pressure tests once every couple years to ma ke sure the cylinder isnt getting too fatigued from the contained pressure and/or bumping it in transport or damages also that all the seals are in check. Just thinking safety for you guys running those older tanks.
Food for thought
Cheers
Each tank has to be hydro tested every 5 yrs & stamped by a certified dealer, they will not fill it if it`s past due the stamped date.
I can`t say i ever heard of co2 going stale & having any detriment for planted tank hobbyist.
Regards
So it looks like 3 people so far Eric ( exv) Rah& Androo, anyone else?
My suggestion is as follows
Regulator body - Micromatic shipped to Ogendsburg- drive over & PU - approx 55.00 + txs & duty which i think is about 20.00-30.00 less than if you order in Canada
Solenoid- order from Wainbee Canada) - clippard solenoid - this takes 2-3 weeks for them to get it approx 29.00 before shipping & tax etc
Needlevalve - if you want the really good one either a swagelok or Ideal- Swagelok can be ordered locally & also have a lead time-75-100 depending on type
Middle of the line would be a Fabco - approx30-50.00
Brass fittings -Local H/ware
Bubble cmounted munted on needle valve On line ordering , isuggest the Fluval inline Bubble counter approx 12.00
Check valve special order form Big Al`s- Red sea
That will give you a rock steady rig for the dollars.
Errol
Micro matic, I believe, is fabricated & assembled in the US, with US parts, so duty should not apply because of nafta, but customs could charge HST. Duty applies to anything being shipped into Canada that's manufactured outside northamerica, with some exceptions - clothes, alcohol etc. But you'd still have to pay US state tax, shipping, plus HST on the reg. I think we're looking at roughly $200-$250 all-in, depending on the needlevalve.
Quote from: exv152 on April 12, 2012, 09:31:02 AM
Micro matic, I believe, is fabricated & assembled in the US, with US parts, so duty should not apply because of nafta, but customs could charge HST. Duty applies to anything being shipped into Canada that's manufactured outside northamerica, with some exceptions - clothes, alcohol etc. But you'd still have to pay US state tax, shipping, plus HST on the reg. I think we're looking at roughly $200-$250 all-in, depending on the needlevalve.
That is accurate Eric, all the more reason to get this group build in motion people.
Errol
Lets set a cut-off date and see how many we have. We might not get major discounts but we're still going to save a good deal on a quality build! Lets get this done sooner then later!
So when is the cut off date & the projected build date - I need to build myself one sooner than later.
Just found out what i thoght was a good reg body is dud.
So far we have four interested, maybe someone can contact micromatic to see what kind of discount they'll offer if we order four regulators at once...1(866)291-5756.
Cut-Off date is THIS FRIDAY 20th April! It would be great to get this started sooner then later so lets jump on it! Just post your interest here and once we've tallied the numbers we can go ahead and see how sweet a deal we can get!
Quote from: exv152 on April 16, 2012, 09:15:43 PM
So far we have four interested, maybe someone can contact micromatic to see what kind of discount they'll offer if we order four regulators at once...1(866)291-5756.
Planted tank folks are missing a golden opportunity to custom build a quality Pressurized system, it`s not top of the line by any means but it certainly will be the best bang @ it`s cost.
Someone else beat us to it...
http://his-angelfish.webs.com/diyprojects.htm (http://his-angelfish.webs.com/diyprojects.htm)
Quote from: exv152 on April 19, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
Someone else beat us to it...
http://his-angelfish.webs.com/diyprojects.htm (http://his-angelfish.webs.com/diyprojects.htm)
Nice find Eric, that should be a sticky.
Thanks for posting it.
Errol
Quote from: exv152 on April 19, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
Someone else beat us to it...
http://his-angelfish.webs.com/diyprojects.htm (http://his-angelfish.webs.com/diyprojects.htm)
Nice! Now we have visuals!
Quote from: charlie on April 20, 2012, 08:03:33 AM
Nice find Eric, that should be a sticky.
Thanks for posting it.
Errol
I figured maybe we could take pictures of our group build, and make that a sticky ;)
So the deadline is here, what's next?
Quote from: exv152 on April 20, 2012, 11:25:33 AM
I figured maybe we could take pictures of our group build, and make that a sticky ;)
So the deadline is here, what's next?
Rahul is the man,
I guess confirm your order so Rahul can place the order
Mine is as follows
1- Micromatic regulator
2- Clippard solenoids
1 pkg of CLIPPARD FEMALE BUSHING 1/8" X REDUCER
1 pkg Short Coupling, #10-32 10 per pk
That is it for me
Errol
10-32 9qty per pk)10
A few of us planted hobbyist ( Rah, Andrew Eric & myself) have embarked on doing a decent co2 regulator build, to this end we have decided on the Micromatic CO2 Regulators, these have proven to be good enough for our purposes without breaking the bank & was the first of the acquired parts to arrive here is a picture of the building block this build is centered around .
Errol
See this thread to follow the progress
http://ovas.ca/forum/index.php?topic=53644.0#new
Quote from: charlie on May 01, 2012, 01:40:55 PM
See this thread to follow the progress
http://ovas.ca/forum/index.php?topic=53644.0#new
Don't want to clutter your build thread so I'll post my question here.
Did you guys end up getting a rebate/deal because you bought 4 instead of 1 or were the savings mostly on combined shipping?
Eric
Quote from: bizfromqc on May 01, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
Don't want to clutter your build thread so I'll post my question here.
Did you guys end up getting a rebate/deal because you bought 4 instead of 1 or were the savings mostly on combined shipping?
Eric
To answer your question, there was no rebate discount, as you pointed out it saved on shipping.
Errol
Quote from: bizfromqc on May 01, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
Don't want to clutter your build thread so I'll post my question here.
Did you guys end up getting a rebate/deal because you bought 4 instead of 1 or were the savings mostly on combined shipping?
Eric
They are used to dealing with bars/restaurants/etc. that order 20 regs and up so for a meagre 4 there wasn't much they could do lol. But we saved on shipping though so it still worked out.
I'm really looking forward to gettin' the ball rolling on this one. Seeing the shiny new regulator today just renewed my excitment. Hopefully those remaining parts come sooner than expected.
Errol, I know I asked you this earlier but it slips my memory now. What are the thread sizes for the elbow piece I'll need to get to mount my bubble counter again? And where do you think I can get the best bargain for these parts?
Quote from: exv152 on May 01, 2012, 05:50:17 PM
I'm really looking forward to gettin' the ball rolling on this one. Seeing the shiny new regulator today just renewed my excitment. Hopefully those remaining parts come sooner than expected.
Errol, I know I asked you this earlier but it slips my memory now. What are the thread sizes for the elbow piece I'll need to get to mount my bubble counter again? And where do you think I can get the best bargain for these parts?
Here is a list of the brass fittings that will be needed for assembly for those that will be useing the bubble counter mounted on the needle valve
1- Brass female reducer bushing - 1/4 NPT to 1/8 NPT - NPT = National Pipe Threeads
evrything else hereafter will be 1/8 NPT threads
1- 3 inch 1/8 NPT male thread brass pipe
2- brass 90 degree 1/8 NPT Male - Female street elbow
Eric, can you buy me the parts too? I purchased the bubble counter that you showed me on eBay so I want to make sure it works!!! ;D
Quote from: androo303 on May 01, 2012, 11:06:22 PM
Eric, can you buy me the parts too? I purchased the bubble counter that you showed me on eBay so I want to make sure it works!!! ;D
No problem, I'll be picking up a few extras since I'm considering adding a second bubble counter anyway. You can pay me back when we get together to do the build.
Quote from: exv152 on May 02, 2012, 10:47:38 AM
No problem, I'll be picking up a few extras since I'm considering adding a second bubble counter anyway. You can pay me back when we get together to do the build.
Eric if you are thinking of 2 needle valves & 2 bubble counters to feed 2 tanks you will need one Brass 1/8 NPT female" T"& an extra elbow.
All pics are for reference only , as each manf. have slightly different looks.
Errol
Excellent thanks Errol. You wouldn't happen to have an extra NV would you?
Errol, I was able to find all the fittings except the street elbow female to male 1/8 fitting. And, just to clarify, do you mean Andrew and I will need two of these each, plus an additional elbow if I go with the T splitter ?
Finally mission accomplished, sorry i had you guys in holding mode for a bit.
It was nice getting together building the rigs & talking fishy stories.
Errol
And thank you again Errol for building my rig, it's always nice getting together with other hobbyists to talk fish stuff. I look forward to the next planted tank meeting.
Rah and Andrew, here are the links I mentioned earlier, the same things Errol was talking about to ensure you don't blow your gauges, and some extra must knows.
This entire page is worth reading...
http://blog.greenleafaquariums.com/category/how-to-advice/ (http://blog.greenleafaquariums.com/category/how-to-advice/)
The CO2 setup video...
http://blog.greenleafaquariums.com/2009/10/07/how-to-setup-a-pressurized-co2-system-for-the-planted-aquarium/ (http://blog.greenleafaquariums.com/2009/10/07/how-to-setup-a-pressurized-co2-system-for-the-planted-aquarium/)
Yeap! Awesome session!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a8HzP6nnww8/T8bwn8vhHjI/AAAAAAAABWw/J_6QPodwm5k/s800/IMG_1393.JPG)
Cluttered work table
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2mA8y1J8Q4E/T8bwoAZ7LYI/AAAAAAAABW0/oogkoBlyn50/s800/IMG_1394.JPG)
Eric's finished piece with JBJ bubble counter and Fabco Needle Valve
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N88mlVMZHrc/T8bwoLj7SBI/AAAAAAAABW4/QCQ329A3f3o/s800/IMG_1396.JPG)
Mine with a Swagelock Needle Valve
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-59PmQayOoi8/T8bwrjaPw2I/AAAAAAAABWE/HcHF4YfzkpU/s831/IMG_1397.JPG)
Andrew's build similar to Eric's
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SC8CoMRoy6E/T8bwtrsfOAI/AAAAAAAABW8/FgRbWyliA3k/s800/IMG_1398.JPG)
Chief Errol and Novice Andrew
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ROFM2eBAXqk/T8bwufFRsOI/AAAAAAAABXA/xUzPanLS6gg/s800/IMG_1399.JPG)
Eric makes an appearance
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3dTQOLFannQ/T8bwvZ4yWEI/AAAAAAAABXE/lc8Pxs-vO6I/s800/IMG_1400.JPG)
Finished pieces of art!
That was a pretty neat experience!
Errol, this is where Andrew and I got our jbj bubble counters from
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/JBJ-CO2-Brass-Bubble-Counter-W-Built-Check-Valve-US-SELLER-/230778100049?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bb725951 (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/JBJ-CO2-Brass-Bubble-Counter-W-Built-Check-Valve-US-SELLER-/230778100049?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bb725951).
Wow! those are beasts! Perhaps it is just the pics, but they look huge.
Thanks Errol for the knowledge/expertise.
Thanks Rah for your kitchen table and fixing the prong on my switch.
Thanks Eric for picking up the parts and the links!
IT was a grand time, definitely have to do something like this again!
QuoteWow! those are beasts! Perhaps it is just the pics, but they look huge.
Definitely not light equipment, but definitely built to withstand a huricane!
QuoteChief Errol and Novice Andrew
Sigh, yes.. Novice...
You guys are welcome, always fun talking & doing hobby stuff ;).
Errol
Errol, do you have a link or place to buy the paintball adapter to this regulator?
Quote from: androo303 on May 31, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Errol, do you have a link or place to buy the paintball adapter to this regulator?
Here you go
http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/product_p/adapter%20paintball.htm
Rah this is what you need
1/8 x 1/8 NPT Brass female coupling- Rona- Lowes-Home Depot - Ottawa Fastners
Quote from: charlie on May 31, 2012, 09:10:50 PM
Rah this is what you need
1/8 x 1/8 NPT Brass female coupling- Rona- Lowes-Home Depot - Ottawa Fastners
Thanks Errol!
Picked up some tanks today for Rah (20lbs) and myself (10lbs) from Pyromateck.
Really good service !
Too bad they were on this side of the water and open a couple of hours later :P
Quote from: androo303 on June 06, 2012, 01:10:25 PM
Picked up some tanks today for Rah (20lbs) and myself (10lbs) from Pyromateck.
Really good service !
Too bad they were on this side of the water and open a couple of hours later :P
Sending you a PM...
Quote from: androo303 on June 06, 2012, 01:10:25 PM
Picked up some tanks today for Rah (20lbs) and myself (10lbs) from Pyromateck.
Really good service !
Too bad they were on this side of the water and open a couple of hours later :P
I don`t mind the drive, for the service & price + a visit to La Niche & the odd meal @ Buffet des Continents ;)makes it worthwhile.
Have you done a leak test yet?
Rah rig passed with flying colours
Leake test done by using my ears :0p... It is great and set to bubble at 1.4 per sec.
Quote from: androo303 on June 06, 2012, 08:48:40 PMLeake test done by using my ears :0p... It is great and set to bubble at 1.4 per sec.
Put some dish soap & water in a spray bottle and spray all the connections, and look for bubbles.
Hey, when the power goes out on the solenoid is all gas supposed to stop going through the bubble counter? If not, I think I have a problem :-[ .
Quote from: androo303 on June 06, 2012, 10:00:29 PMHey, when the power goes out on the solenoid is all gas supposed to stop going through the bubble counter? If not, I think I have a problem :-[ .
The solenoid will shut the co2 off but the co2 bubbles will continue for a bit. Just as long as it stops after a few minutes. Same is true when the solenoid kicks on, there's a small delay.
Quote from: charlie on June 06, 2012, 08:08:48 PM
Rah rig passed with flying colours
Thanks again for the Help Errol! Stoked to get it up and running!
QuoteThe solenoid will shut the co2 off but the co2 bubbles will continue for a bit. Just as long as it stops after a few minutes.
Didn't see the thread before your PM and I PM'ed you something to this effect too. LMK. Could see about a replacement otherwise.
Quote from: exv152 on June 06, 2012, 10:54:32 PM
The solenoid will shut the co2 off but the co2 bubbles will continue for a bit. Just as long as it stops after a few minutes. Same is true when the solenoid kicks on, there's a small delay.
Solenoid shuts off was off for about 1-2 hrs until i realized it was still bubbling.
Quote from: daworldisblack on June 06, 2012, 11:49:24 PM
Didn't see the thread before your PM and I PM'ed you something to this effect too. LMK. Could see about a replacement otherwise.
I am going to take it over to Errol's place for some diagnostics, I was ubber eager to plug this baby in but then it was quickly followed by discouragement when the solenoid wouldn't close the the CO2 off.
Maybe it's just a question of the wiring since I remember you had an issue with that during assembly. Does the solenoid making a clicking noise when the timer goes on/off?
Quote from: daworldisblack on June 06, 2012, 11:49:24 PM
Thanks again for the Help Errol! Stoked to get it up and running!...
Rah, how's your solenoid holding up, are you have any of the same issues as Andrew? I haven't hooked my stuff up yet because I haven't had the time to drop by pyromateck.
Quote from: exv152 on June 07, 2012, 09:05:58 AM
Rah, how's your solenoid holding up, are you have any of the same issues as Andrew? I haven't hooked my stuff up yet because I haven't had the time to drop by pyromateck.
Mine's good it seems. Stopped bubbling about 10mins after timer went off. We did test the output with the solenoid plugged and unplugged as well just to see if it was functioning as expected. Perhaps you can try doing that even though its not plugged in? The check valves we got were superb as well.
Quote from: androo303 on June 07, 2012, 07:33:34 AM
I am going to take it over to Errol's place for some diagnostics, I was ubber eager to plug this baby in but then it was quickly followed by discouragement when the solenoid wouldn't close the the CO2 off.
Sounds good Andrew. Hopefully the doc can fix it up. Otherwise we can see about getting replacement ones in.LMK.*fingers crossed*
Quote from: exv152 on June 07, 2012, 07:41:42 AM
Maybe it's just a question of the wiring since I remember you had an issue with that during assembly. Does the solenoid making a clicking noise when the timer goes on/off?
The solenoid makes a click noise when i plug it in and pull it out, also the LED lights up (i did this in a quiet room). What I will do tonight is release all the pressure and then plug the solenoid in so it is engaged (closed) and then up the pressure to see what happens. It may also be that something is logged in it??
Quote from: androo303 on June 07, 2012, 10:15:38 AM
The solenoid makes a click noise when i plug it in and pull it out, also the LED lights up (i did this in a quiet room). What I will do tonight is release all the pressure and then plug the solenoid in so it is engaged (closed) and then up the pressure to see what happens. It may also be that something is logged in it??
I'm not supremely mechanically oriented myself, and I don't claim to be an expert in co2 equipment, but solenoids are known to occasionally stick open, the part that closes is apparently a spring loaded mechanism that pushes a rod up to close the gap, stopping the co2. Maybe the rod can be lubbed with oil. Debris is definitetly something to look out for. When you put it together or take it apart always ensure no debris gets inside. The smallest debris in the regulator, nv or cylinder can also cause issues. Hope it works out soon. Keep us posted!
I finally got around to building my 2 rigs, will post some pics later after pressure testing is over.
Errol
So with everything said and done gents, what's the total cost of these units all-in for people who might thing of doing something similar in the future?
The pressure/leak test had one small leak on one unit between the bubble counter & the 90 deg. elbow, this was resolved by resealing it.
The 2 units were built differently since one had to be designed for a remote needle valve mount on the 25 gallon tank so i can easily access it to adjust while the bottle is stashed behind the tank out of sight, for this i used a Fabco Valve mounted at the front of the cabinet behind the the cabinet front panel so it`s out of sight & used a Fluval in line bubble counter.
the other was the more traditional all in one mount & all brass fittings was decked out with some nickel plating by a good friend of mine who owed me one ;), this rig used a swagelok needle valve & will supply my 10 gallon tank.
Thanks to all the guys who made this possible.
Errol
P.S Eric the accountant of the group build can itemise the parts & cost
I think I recognize that setup, is that FlyingHellFish's dici bubble counter? Or did you pick that up from AI? Nice job on the rigs! One thing I like about the micromatic regulator is the length of the neck on the tank connector.
Quote from: charlie on June 07, 2012, 05:36:47 PM
The pressure/leak test had one small leak on one unit between the bubble counter & the 90 deg. elbow, this was resolved by resealing it.
The 2 units were built differently since one had to be designed for a remote needle valve mount on the 25 gallon tank so i can easily access it to adjust while the bottle is stashed behind the tank out of sight, for this i used a Fabco Valve mounted at the front of the cabinet behind the the cabinet front panel so it`s out of sight & used a Fluval in line bubble counter.
the other was the more traditional all in one mount & all brass fittings was decked out with some nickel plating by a good friend of mine who owed me one ;), this rig used a swagelok needle valve & will supply my 10 gallon tank.
Thanks to all the guys who made this possible.
Errol
P.S Eric the accountant of the group build can itemise the parts & cost
Nice! I didn't know you had yet to set yours up! I still have that extra cable from the other time should you need if for your solenoids!
Quote from: bizfromqc on June 07, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
So with everything said and done gents, what's the total cost of these units all-in for people who might thing of doing something similar in the future?
What Andrew and Eric have, came up to about $150 with the fabco needle-valves. I think thats the basic model from our group. They added bubble counters though so would need to add the cost of that on. And the cost of the tanks.
Quote from: exv152 on June 07, 2012, 06:30:30 PM
I think I recognize that setup, is that FlyingHellFish's dici bubble counter? Or did you pick that up from AI? Nice job on the rigs! One thing I like about the micromatic regulator is the length of the neck on the tank connector.
Nope, i bought 2 of them last time i was down @ AI.
Quote from: daworldisblack on June 07, 2012, 06:36:38 PM
Nice! I didn't know you had yet to set yours up! I still have that extra cable from the other time should you need if for your solenoids!
.
Thanks Rah, i`m good for cables
QuoteWhat Andrew and Eric have, came up to about $150 with the fabco needle-valves. I think thats the basic model from our group. They added bubble counters though so would need to add the cost of that on. And the cost of the tanks
If memory serves me right
Regulator is 55.00 before shipping & txs
Solenoid approx 28.00 before shipping & txs
fittings 12.00-15.00
New needle valves - can run from 25.00 - 150.00 depending on what you preference - econmy or quality, as far as econmy the Fabco is about the best bang for the buck.
Bubble counter?? mine from Ai was 13.00 , fluval in line i think is around 10.00?
Quote from: charlie on June 07, 2012, 06:45:43 PMBubble counter?? mine from Ai was 13.00 , fluval in line i think is around 10.00?
JBJ bubble counters are $22 shipped with taxes and all, on ebay. I think the link is somewhere further back on this thread.
Quote from: androo303 on June 07, 2012, 10:15:38 AM
The solenoid makes a click noise when i plug it in and pull it out, also the LED lights up (i did this in a quiet room). What I will do tonight is release all the pressure and then plug the solenoid in so it is engaged (closed) and then up the pressure to see what happens. It may also be that something is logged in it??
Andrew , i ended up not having to go to the Hospital after all, so i had a look @ your rig, you can sleep well the Solenoid is good, it just needed opening up & blowing out, probably some debris from the CO2 cylinder ( this is common), i took the liberty to rebuild the rig & leak test it , you are good to go.
Eric if you want yours reworked like Andrew, just pick up a 1/8 to 1/8 NPT hex nipple & bring the rig over, wont take long.
Errol
Quote from: charlie on June 07, 2012, 08:25:55 PM
...Eric if you want yours reworked like Andrew, just pick up a 1/8 to 1/8 NPT hex nipple & bring the rig over, wont take long.
Errol
Thanks Errol, you're a class act. It may be a bit longer for me though, I work 9-5pm mon-fri, and getting out to gatineau during those business hours can be a challenge. But if I have any issues I'll definitely give you a shout.
Quote from: charlie on June 07, 2012, 08:25:55 PM
Andrew , i ended up not having to go to the Hospital after all, so i had a look @ your rig, you can sleep well the Solenoid is good, it just needed opening up & blowing out, probably some debris from the CO2 cylinder ( this is common), i took the liberty to rebuild the rig & leak test it , you are good to go.
Eric if you want yours reworked like Andrew, just pick up a 1/8 to 1/8 NPT hex nipple & bring the rig over, wont take long.
Errol
You my friend are king. PERIOD.
Definitely know your stuff. When is good to stop by? Friday night or Saturday morning?
Quote from: daworldisblack on June 07, 2012, 06:36:38 PM
What Andrew and Eric have, came up to about $150 with the fabco needle-valves. I think thats the basic model from our group. They added bubble counters though so would need to add the cost of that on. And the cost of the tanks.
It was time for me to go in head first and get something like this, because quality in is quality out. Errol was a great teacher, and the other 2 were good company too I guess. :)
The tank I got was 10lbs for $90 and Rah got the 20lbs for $120. I couldn't justify the extra 10lbs because I needed to make sure the tank would fit under my stand or my gf would kill me! :D
Quote from: exv152 on June 07, 2012, 09:21:48 PM
Thanks Errol, you're a class act. It may be a bit longer for me though, I work 9-5pm mon-fri, and getting out to gatineau during those business hours can be a challenge. But if I have any issues I'll definitely give you a shout.
Eric, do you need me to make a run for you? I am off next Wednesday to Monday for my house move and will be making a run across the river to Costco for cheap pop.
Quote from: androo303 on June 07, 2012, 09:29:48 PMEric, do you need me to make a run for you? I am off next Wednesday to Monday for my house move and will be making a run across the river to Costco for cheap pop.
If you can manage to pickup a 10lbs steel for $90, I'd be greatly indebted. I work for the feds and getting out during those hours would mean taking vacation time. I don't plan to take summer vac until august. I can drop off the money for you before hand, or reimburse you later, whatever works better for you. LMK. Thanks dude, you rock!
Quote from: exv152 on June 07, 2012, 09:36:42 PM
If you can manage to pickup a 10lbs steel for $90, I'd be greatly indebted. I work for the feds and getting out during those hours would mean taking vacation time. I don't plan to take summer vac until august. I can drop off the money for you before hand, or reimburse you later, whatever works better for you. LMK. Thanks dude, you rock!
I thought most of you guys came to the Gatineau Costco for the Coors Light Octopak :-)
Quote from: exv152 on June 07, 2012, 09:36:42 PM
If you can manage to pickup a 10lbs steel for $90, I'd be greatly indebted. I work for the feds and getting out during those hours would mean taking vacation time. I don't plan to take summer vac until august. I can drop off the money for you before hand, or reimburse you later, whatever works better for you. LMK. Thanks dude, you rock!
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Quote from: charlie on June 07, 2012, 08:25:55 PM
Andrew , i ended up not having to go to the Hospital after all, so i had a look @ your rig, you can sleep well the Solenoid is good, it just needed opening up & blowing out, probably some debris from the CO2 cylinder ( this is common), i took the liberty to rebuild the rig & leak test it , you are good to go.
Eric if you want yours reworked like Andrew, just pick up a 1/8 to 1/8 NPT hex nipple & bring the rig over, wont take long.
Errol
Doc in da house! You the man Errol! I had read to open the CO2 tank's valve prior to hooking the reg up. I had done that as soon as I got it from Andrew (also from a need to fiddle with it lol) so hopefully that did me some good. Glad to hear all is well Andrew! All regs good to go!
Quote from: bizfromqc on June 07, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
I thought most of you guys came to the Gatineau Costco for the Coors Light Octopak :-)
8) ;D we also get food and fish supplies . Haha
Quote from: bizfromqc on June 07, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
I thought most of you guys came to the Gatineau Costco for the Coors Light Octopak :-)
Beer, fish, food, in that order...lol
Quote from: bizfromqc on June 07, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
So with everything said and done gents, what's the total cost of these units all-in for people who might thing of doing something similar in the future?
Item Individual/Group Cost/person LinkRegulator Individual $59.89 http://www.micromatic.com/draft-keg-beer/regulators-pid-642.html (http://www.micromatic.com/draft-keg-beer/regulators-pid-642.html)
Solenoid Individual $30.87 http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=MME-2PDS-D110 (http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=MME-2PDS-D110)
Check Valve Individual $11.50 http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=MME-2PDS-D110 (http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=MME-2PDS-D110)
Reducer for Fabco Needle Valve Group (qty=2) $6.20 http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=2CPF-PKG (http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=2CPF-PKG)
Male nipple for fabco needle valve Group (qty=2) $5.23 http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=11999-PKG (http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=11999-PKG)
Barb fitting for check valve Group (qty=1) $5.50 http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=11752-1-PKG (http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=11752-1-PKG)
Gasket for brab fitting to check valve Group (qty=1) $1.16 http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=11761-7-PKG (http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=11761-7-PKG)
JBJ Bubble Counter Individual $22
Misc(shipping,Gas,tolls,UPS fee,customs) $29.50
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TOTAL $171.85
*Not included* : Needle Valve (See Errol's notes- We used Fabco Needle Valves as well as Swagelok Needle Valves), CO2 Tank, Misc. Connectors(refer to posts in the thread)
*Optional*: Check Valves, JBJ Bubble Counter
*Retailers*: Micromatic Site (Regulator), www.wainbee.com(All other parts), www.ebay.com(JBJ Bubble counter)
Thanks for the price breakdown and links Rah.