Well folks, the first "real" step has been taken. The tank has been ordered. It will be here in 4-6 weeks. It's a 180gallon tank, 4 sides will be viewable, and 4 sides are starfire. The starfire was an expensive option given it's all 4 sides, but the overall tank was much cheaper than I assumed so it nett'ed out well for me.
So, why did I want to change out my tank. I'm just cresting the one year mark with the corner tank that I've setup. And honestly, it's doing very well. I've had ups and downs with the tank, and with the equipment over the past year, learned a tonne from many, many people on this forum/club and from others as well as reading obsessive amounts of information. However, that still doesn't answer the question of "why upgrade?".
Well the simple reason is I do not like my aquascaping, and the stand/canopy is the wrong color to go with my family room. Id love to make up loads of technical reasons that make sense to everyone, but there you have it. The simplest of reasons. The 90gallon tank I have right now is actually thriving again, and I see the grow-out potential in the tank. It's heading in good directions. However, the rock-walls are not my thing, they have to go... but I used an entire tube of sillycone to stick them to the glass... likely not going to come off without a major fight...
Additional factors would be that the aquascaping itself is very open, but no where near "zen bonsai" that I wish to have. In all my research and reading, the tanks I'm drawn to have vast open spaces with full mature colonies grown out bursting with color. I just cannot achieve that look in my current system. Additionally, there are some fish that I would like to have in the tank which are unreasonable in a 90gallon system. I'm not saying which ones are for sure, as at this time there are no "for sure" fish... but there are many that I really like.
So a little about the new tank. First, the 4 sided viewable concept might have perked some interest. It's defiantly going to present several challenges. The main reason is that this tank will be a room divider. It will be in the wall, kind of, between my dinning room and my family room. Imagine looking into my dining room and instead of a hutch on the wall you'll see a fish tank. All 180 glorious gallons of it... but instead of it being pushed up against the wall, the wall will have a hole in it allowing the room on the other side a view of the fish tank as well. So from the Family room, there'll be a flush wall-mounted/trimmed 180 gallon tank.
For many reasons I did not want the tank to be "built in"... but rather to look like it's on a stand, and as such, look like it's easily removable from the house. (resale value, cause you never know... not that we're planning on selling ever..).
Now, to create the zen look and feel, I needed to find a way to handle the flow and plumbing without having any of it visible what so ever. The end product *must* look like a tank of coral, rock, sand and fish... that's it, that's all. I've done some research on overflow systems and have found a system to create a durso style drain without an overflow box. (more on that as that part of the project evolves). I've also got designs on a closed loop system, in fact the tank will come with 2 input holes and 4 output holes for a closed loop system, likely driven by a hammerhead pump (gold series for quite operation).
Additionally, the rock itself in the display will be 80% DIY rock. Of course the return lines and drain lines, as well as the closed loop system will be completely hidden in DIY rock, however even the rock structures themselves will be created from DIY rock. This gives me the control to ensure that no "extra's" get into the system. The rock I have now is covered in great hitchhikers...but they are getting in the way of stuff I actually want to grow. I've complained about the GSP and Zoa's before and this time I will not be bothered by them again. The existing rock will go into my sump as the fuge is being removed from the system, gaining a 40gallon tank of space that I can pack the rock into.
I'm pretty sure next week I'll open the wall and start the stand build, with photos. I want to get some sketchup drawings done of the stand, tank, overflows and what-not drawn up, but honestly that program frustrates me so do not hold you're breath. I'll be posting a bunch of photos as this build goes forward, but for now I figured I'd just formally let the cat out of the bag.
As always, thanks for reading
-Tim
I like what i read. Banzai style tanks are my fav hands down. Ive even been planning on re-scaping the rock in my tank to mimmic these tanks befor i get to much further. The more sides to look through the better IMO. I originaly wanted three sides viewable but that didnt really pan out space wise. So you dont like the rock walls any more huh... Here i was at the cottage today filling in the cracks of a new wall i put in with great stuff sea foam thinking about thoes walls the entire time. either way this is going to be off the hook.
Oh and whenever i let my cats out of a bag, sh** hits the fan. Fair warning is all.
Photos are mandatory too
Looking forward to this build!!!
I wish my house could accomodate a two room viewable through the wall type of setup. Unfortunately for this to happen here I would have to modify the main supporting wall, relocating lots of piping and duct work. That won't happen!
If there is anything I can assist with feel free to ask. Even if it is only a BDG chore!
Congrats on the addition!
From your description, this should be quite an exciting build. I am looking forward to following your progress. :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
With such a huge undertaking I am sure you'll probably experience all of the above. ;D
Thanks Guys. I've been planning this for a while, for sure... I can honestly say I'm not 100% sure the wall isn't load bearing... but that is easily fixed with supports and headers, which if need be, I can carry through the floor to the basement below. I haven't gotten to that stage yet (gasp) but the walls are being opened soon. I do not want to live in construction any longer than necessary, so I'm going to put off opening up the wall until the last minute.
Some more details on the tank. The tank will have black sillycone and eurobracing. I hope to maintain the minimalistic look. I will be creating "netting" out of some pond cover materials and acrylic which will fasten to the eurobracing to stop fish from jumping. I have not yet located the materials but there are many threads about specific materials that work. As mentioned there will be 9 holes drilled for 1.5" bulkheads in the bottom pane of glass, which will be tempered for safety. I have not yet determined the placement of the holes, however, I'm fairly sure they will be bascially around the 4 corners. Two holes for the closed loop input are also a bit of a mystery at this point. I'm thinking of having them towards the center, but I do also know that I do not want any corals growing dead center, so no rock in the center to hide those inputs... I'll have to draw up some diagrams of possible rock work layout and post them here as a way to help with placement of the holes.
The lighting for this tank will be driven from a 10bulb T5 fixture from ATI. The ATI Powermodule has active cooling on each pair of bulbs which creates the right conditions for the bulbs to output their spectrum for the longest period, at least thats what I keep reading. The fixture will be 5 feet and suspended over the tank, centered. I didn't feel there was a need to cover the entire 6 feet (72") of the tank with direct lighting and the streamlined look is better maintained with the slightly smaller fixture. The down side to this fixture is the bulbs. Not so much the direct cost, but the availability of 60" bulbs. It's limited. Very limited. And from what I am told, shipping will not insure bulbs of that length. Trips to Toronto are required now, twice a year to get replacement bulbs... oh and whatever else might be awesome... ;)
The tank stand itself is going to mimic the exact stand that I posted a while back covered in slate/tile. I'll post some photos of the build, but honestly, I'll be following that build almost to the letter save and except I'll have to tie the stand into the wall framing so that the tank itself sits flush in the wall. The stand will be only used for display. What I mean is the sump is already in the basement, and I will just tie into that system. The closed loop will also get driven down into the basement because even though the pump is a gold-series, I want the system to be dead silent. So I'll mount the closed loop pump on the underside of the floor from some hangers that minimize noise through vibration but keep the pump relatively close to minimize pressure. (Closed loops do not suffer the same type of head pressure as return pumps, but still).
The sump will remain mostly as-is... with the removal of the fuge being the only major change. I'll be finding a spot to crate a frag-rack in the sump as well, but in all likely hood that will take months before i bother with it... with the new system, i'm hoping to achieve large colonies for the look.
I hope that gives you some more information, and honestly, writing it down helps solidify some of the concepts in my mind as well.
Thanks for reading
-Tim
Hey Hookup. Congrats on ordering your tank! i will follow this build closly. i tend to learn lots off you build threads. (and others also :D)
nice hookup. cant wait too see the progression
Quote from: Hookup on August 29, 2009, 09:27:48 AM
As mentioned there will be 9 holes drilled for 1.5" bulkheads in the bottom pane of glass, which will be tempered for safety. I have not yet determined the placement of the holes, however, I'm fairly sure they will be bascially around the 4 corners. Two holes for the closed loop input are also a bit of a mystery at this point. I'm thinking of having them towards the center, but I do also know that I do not want any corals growing dead center, so no rock in the center to hide those inputs... I'll have to draw up some diagrams of possible rock work layout and post them here as a way to help with placement of the holes.
Am I reading this right? You said that the tank had been ordered. Also, in the above quote you indicate that the bottom will be tempered and that you haven't yet figured out where the holes will be. You must know that you cannot drill tempered glass... Am I missing something?
BTW, sounds like a cool project.
Cheers
The tank has been ordered, i.e. the deposit cash has been given... :) I have to work out the exact locations for the holes this weekend so I can get the plan to the builder Monday.
Nice... looking forward to this one!
If you need a hand with any of it give me a PM, more than willing to volunteer a hand.
Quote from: Hookup on August 29, 2009, 04:58:41 PM
The tank has been ordered, i.e. the deposit cash has been given... :) I have to work out the exact locations for the holes this weekend so I can get the plan to the builder Monday.
four corners :D and yes if u need anything i can get, let me know. i come across all sorts of stuff through my job
Thanks so much everyone for the interest. There will be a call for help when the tank arrives... we'll need some help moving it into the house and into position. at 24"x24" it will go thru all doorways very easily, but i still imagine it will be quite heavy. :)
i dont know how to read but i know this will be a good build cause theres so much writting. i'm also gonna jump on the band wagon on the help tim build thread but thats way to much typing tim....waaaay to much
Tim
Count me in as another set of hands.
Jerry
ya plenty of room through the doorways. but it's funny how it's possible to jump on glass without breaking it then you touch/bump it on a door frame, table, or w/e ...and it explodes. especially with tempered glass. that's a big clean up.
Hey Tim, assuming the tank makes it in the house in one piece ;D ... Have you thought about the bulbs you are going to run in your T5 set up? Im sure you read it already, the grimm reefer article on reef central about T5 lighting? I want to play around with some diff bulb configurations so im looking for ideas. Tell me what you got cooking in that head of yours.
I have not narrowed things down to specific bulbs at this point. I do know that 6 of 10 will be 420-460nm bulbs, if not 7 of 10. I'm looking through a three part article on what makes color so that should help narrow down the spectrum to what I want to fill in the rest of the bulbs with, as a staring point. Though in general the thought is;
7 @ 450nm (blue/violets)
2 @ 500nm - 550nm (greens)
1 @ 650nm - 700nm (red/oranges)
Right now I really need to figure out the holes/layout problem. Its one of those "you only get to do this once" kind of things so it's stressing me out... I just know that no matter what I do, there will be something that I want to do differently.
That sounds like you will get allot of pop making your corals fluoresce. I was thinking about what you said about the pipes being in the open in the middle. Perhaps you could have some sort of optical illusion by gluing sand to them or even taking acrylic sheets cutting squares to over/around the pipes then cover them in sand. It would be hard to get just right but its an idea.
I won't be able to offer any useful advice as to how to build this, but it's gonna be great to watch! If you have the boys over to build things, I'll offer to come over and drink with your wife to deflect the "how much is this costing us?!" questions. ;)
Quote from: RoxyDog on August 31, 2009, 09:28:53 AM
I won't be able to offer any useful advice as to how to build this, but it's gonna be great to watch! If you have the boys over to build things, I'll offer to come over and drink with your wife to deflect the "how much is this costing us?!" questions. ;)
Done and done!
If you need a hand with the tank let me know. As Artw and Nerine can attest to I picked up 1 end on my miracles 180 while they had the other end. A 180 is suprisinly light to me compared to the 195 (It mad with 3/4" glass instead of 1/2" glass of the 180)
I might also be able to lend a hand in terms of cabinent making depending on what you are after and the time involved.
Have you thought about a steel stand with removable wood panels to give full acees to the system if needed for maintenance?
Bruce
Ok, so here is the first diagram of the rock-work that should help place the holes in the tank. It was a lot harder than I thought it would be... However what I also realized is that if I'm not exactly correct, I can add an elbow here or there to move things around... but the down side with that is 1.5" plumbing is very large... moving an intake a few inches can be very bulky... something that goes against the zen/minimalist look.
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Feedback is welcome, wanted. The white bloches are suppoed to be caves/arches lol...
that is going to be totally bad ass man. when i said four corners. something along those lines came to mind. and seems like you have this all figured out.
The holes have been determined.. I just need to re-draw the diagram and send it in Tuesday. Oh and I added 4 more holes bringing the total number of holes in the bottom of the tank to 13... Yep, that's swiss cheeze for sure...
The reason is, I want to have 6 closed loop outputs and 4 closed loop in puts. The current plan only calls for 4 outputs / 2 inputs... The main reason is I need to think way, way, way down the road say in 3-4 years when the corals have grown into their max size (after that fragging takes care of things)... Anyhow, the flow required at that time might be significant, so with 6 outputs and 4 inputs, I could run two pumps, say gold series darts @4200gph each, and get upwards of 8000gph flow in 180gallon system... then, if really needed, I can put in gold series hammerheads @6200gph each, and move up to 12,000gph in the system for circulation..
Each of the CL outputs will be divided into two 3/4" pipes that will delivery flow in to directions. Additionally for the first while, a 4-way OceansMotions will be used to create random flow on four of the 6 outputs. (I reserve the right to change that plan)
I'll post a new pick as soon as I can. The demolition will not start until after I get the fireplace ripped out, and stone put on the wall, the fire place raised 6inches high and re-connected etc... It'd be nice to assume I can get that project done for the end of next week... Then the week after, or possibly the one after that, start ripping up walls and building stands. Oh, and I saw the coolest thing around lighting... it's a surprise you'll have to wait and see, but I think you'll like it... I know I will.
if you ever know anyone who needs Demo done, that's my trade. and it's not smash and crash, structural demolition. although there is lots of smash and crash.. or if you ever need some help.
Ok, so I cannot believe that it's already been 2 weeks (12days) since this thread started and virtually nothing's been done... I know, I know.. lots of writing was done, some interesting diagram with lines and color was created, but in the end, nothings been really done...
Today, I finished the tank hole design and it got sent into the builder to keep things on their end moving. I expect to take delivery of the tank by the end of October. It's still a bit slow for them, so maybe i'll get lucky and it will be here sooner. I'd like to get moving faster, but until the glass is sitting in my house I'm a bit stuck.... I will open up the wall soon, and start the stand... I believe that I can "trust" the builder to create the tank to spec... so 24" = 24" + 2x5/8 pieces of glass (I think it's 5/8ths, do not shoot me if it's different)...
The image below was sent to the builder today. Assuming they are good with it and do not have any questions, we should have lift off....
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I know that the builder SHOULD know, but did you specify the hole diameter or just the bulkhead size? I'd hate to see the tank arrive with a hockey sock full of 1.5" holes all over the bottom. That Murphy fellow likes to hang around the reefing community. ;D
Quote from: Rybren on September 10, 2009, 08:43:40 PM
I know that the builder SHOULD know, but did you specify the hole diameter or just the bulkhead size? I'd hate to see the tank arrive with a hockey sock full of 1.5" holes all over the bottom. That Murphy fellow likes to hang around the reefing community. ;D
This is a good point, and a follow-up email will be required!
Possible first sw post for me lol.. Still looking for my first tank..But I'm a gen contractor, so if Vince or you need any help..Don't be shy... Maybe it'll help me work off anything you're willing to sell from the previous build ;)..I figure I owe you just for the info on your builds...lol
Dave
Quote from: guyfish on September 10, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
Possible first sw post for me lol.. Still looking for my first tank..But I'm a gen contractor, so if Vince or you need any help..Don't be shy... Maybe it'll help me work off anything you're willing to sell from the previous build ;) Also.... I'm good muscle for any heavy stuff..I figure I owe you just for the info on your builds...lol
Dave
a) Vince is a good guy, but this is my thread :P ???
b) Vince probably could use the help though... ;D ;D ;D
c) I like help too... so now your suckered into helping two people!!!!! muwwahhhahaha
Thats ok..I like to help...Not afraid of the hours... Or learning a thing or two...Or everything..lol And I dream of someday having a 92 corner ;)
Dave
Quote from: guyfish on September 10, 2009, 11:13:34 PM
Thats ok..I like to help...Not afraid of the hours... Or learning a thing or two...Or everything..lol And I dream of someday having a 92 corner ;)
Dave
92 corner is for sale for sure... I just do not want to post it up because obviously i cannot release it just yet.. :)
I also would prefer to find someone who wants the system "as it is".... the walls are completely covered in purple coralline algae, which, IMO makes them look real as opposed to the foam-walls that they are... I deally, the system would be sold where in all that's needed is a sump, return pump and skimmer.... but i'm easy... when that time comes.
Quote from: Hookup on September 10, 2009, 08:30:53 PM
Today, I finished the tank hole design and it got sent into the builder to keep things on their end moving. I expect to take delivery of the tank by the end of October.
End of october! But i wanna see it now! what am i going to do for the time being? ???
Well, good news/bad news... Good news, Paul a Oceans Motions (www.oceansmotions.com) saw my post on RC, including that the tank was being built in Toronto at Miracles, and tracked down my cell phone number backwards from the tank builder, to Ottawa Inverts to me... Desperate for sales right? Wrong.
He wanted to discuss the design in detail and offer some suggestion and insight to the build process. That prompted a call to Miracles, who put the build on-hold... (that was the bad news part)... I want all the input I can get, so he's currently reviewing the design so we can talk further (the first call was 60min easy, his long distance bill)...
Not to sound rude or arrogant, the hard part is finding advise from people who have maintained a system for more than 5 years... Everyone has advise, but finding people who will offer any after 5 years of running an sps system is proving, well impossible...
Additionally, I've been having issues with Low Alk in the system.. in spite of using the baling system... It just made no sense no matter what I was dosing, ALK would not go up.. (I was dosing enough sodium bicarb for a system of 800 or more gallons and nothing changed)...
Well I spent the past 30-45min on the phone with the owner and lead designer of Faunamarin.de Claude. What an amazingly intelligent person. I have been told exactly what is happening in my system and why... though I'll admit I do not understand a bunch of it...
The short answer is my parameters were out of balance, because I raised them too quickly maybe, and in their current state, it would have been impossible to raise the Alk. Also, ULNS tanks have different target parameters than regular systems, something I did not know.
Ca - 380ppm to 400ppm
Mg - 1200ppm
Alk - 7.0dkh
Salinity - 33ppt to 35ppt
There was some debate/discussion on the right and wrong way to measure the salt levels in your system... I'm not getting into it because all that i would be doing is repeating someone elses is preaching... but the short answer was, specific gravity is not as effective as salinity, and salinity is what we need.
So, I've made major changes to my dosing, I no longer dose Ca or Mg until my levels fall off... and I will continue to dose Sodium Bicarb until my Alk raises... I'm also adjusting my salinity from 37/38ppt to 35ppt or 34ppt...
Not directly related to this build, but in the same breath, this is the system that will be driving the new tank, and it's very relevant knowledge.
For those thinking of the Randy Holmes 2part system, Claude left me with one thought, the recommended components of that system are between 60 and 80% pure... What's the other 40-20%... Marketing for his products aside, it's a good question.
Well it looks like I may be making some adjustments myself. I too did not know an ultra low nutrient system requires a different balancing. For the past 4 months I have been targeting 380, 1350 and 8 with 35ppt. I knew about the alk but not the mg.
Curious, where did all the bicarb go? Did it precipitate out? And if it did will it become soluble again as the system becomes balanced and spike you alk?
I checked my Dowflake Xtra and Mag Flake bags for purity...the Dowflake is 84-87% and the Mag Flake is 94-97%.
At one point I was using only Bio Calcium for calcium addition. I was scared when I found my alk had spiked to 24 dKH.
Holy crapola!!! Nothing died, nothing was acting different. Everything seemed normal and all ended OK.
Thanks for sharing.
I dont know why, maybe irrelavent but i cant stop thinking about if the Great Stuff Seafoam is perhaps absorbing the sodium bicarbonate. Im going out on a limb here, I dont know how much was used or if its even possible? Interesting to know this info as it will prove a great stepping stone in ULNS managment. Cuz if you didnt know, considering the amount of reading you do, I bet lots of people dont know. Regardless of what type of system they use to achieve ULNS's, vodka, ultralith or zoe, surely these params are the goal. Still much reasearch is to be done, im very interested in the subject.
curious..., what did he say that made you put the build on hold? In ten words or less....LOL :P
FLOW :D
The absence of, or the plethora of?
The general concept... as in 'what flow am I trying to achieve and why' kind of question... Which my only answer is, enough flow to keep detritus suspended, and blow the micro-layer of water off of the sps... anything more is just showing off, anything less is not sufficient...
We were discussing how much flow, and types of flow to accomplish the task.
One *idea* that was discussed, in a closed loop system, if your pump blows 4000gph, it would also suck 4000gph... wouldn't that equate to 8000gph in your tank?
I admit that controlling flow that blows is easier than flow that sucks... but both can be 'controlled' to some degree to accomplish the requirement of flow.
well that's alot of flow and the fact that it will be hidden in the aquascape is going to be amazing. Im sure it will work out perfect.
I did some updates to my diagram for flow... to ensure that I had enough of the design worked out. On paper, the tank builder has given the thumbs up to the holes and placement. They are laying it out on a sheet of glass to "visualize" the final product before saying no problems.
One other "major" change is at this point, i'm planning on driving each of the two closed loop systems using a gold series dart, but also from a single 1.5" input drain as opposed to having 2 x 1.5" drains connecting to the pump... I believe there is enough pressure fromthe tank, sitting 10feet above the pumps, that the 1.5" line will never go dry, and I will use a ball or gate valve on the return line from each closed loop to "slightly" throttle back the return flow, thus ensuring that the pump will never run out of supply water.
This now means that each CL has 4 outputs to play with.
CL1 is for mass flow... It is on 100% of the time and keeps the water moving in a circular pattern around the long-end of the tank... The two Closed Loop inputs (shown in light blue (Cyan for some))... are also drawing in, 4300gph each, at the left side of the tank... assisting in the mass-flow direction... water pulled out of that side, must be replaced... so there's 8600gph of downward flow in that section... :) nice thing about that kind of flow is, its not very focused... and with the hole placement i've shown, and possible splitting of the lines inside the rockwork, it should work out quite nicely to "suck" water down that side... while the green lines, push water across the bottom and back across the top..
CL2 is for turbid flow... It uses an oceans motions device to create that randomness in the flow patterns which will keep detritius suspended until the mass-flow loop (CL1) can carry it to the drain lines. I have so many ideas for how to make these happen, including vertical spray bars inside of the rockwork... it's just too hard to show on this rendering.
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this is the most thought out tanks ive read about. and you always seem to find good info, then find even better to 1up yourself. Lots of passion in this build. Cant wait
The build is still alive, however we are in the "wait for the tank to arrive" mode. In a few weeks i'm going to start on the stand and opening the wall. Well I already opened the wall behind a big painting I have just for a peak-a-boo. ;)
sounds awesome!! ... wish i could do that :'(
cant wait for pics!
Good to hear this is still going Tim.
Are you building a standard wood stand? or going metal?
The stand will be built out of 2x4 construction covered in ply. I'm going to get some kiln(sp) dried wood for the framing and some cheap ply. The ply will be covered with ceramic tile (12x12 pieces approx). It should be a fairly easy build. I will also be re-enforcing the floor with some 2x6 beams (a pair of them screwed and glued) supported at each end by a jack post. This should take the load down to the concrete basement floor.
I have to find some good quality rolling/sliding mechanisms for the door panels, but I'm sure I'll find something. I figure, the entire stand should take about 2 days for me to complete. I'm pretty slow and steady for that kind of stuff. I'm sure a person who does that more often could have it up and done in 1 day or less. Save curing/dry time for the ceramic tile installation that is.
There is a possibility I'll be making the stand out of white primed MDF trimmed with stainless steel. I have this kind of effect I did on the window in the dining room and I thought it might look good if the stand matched.
Here is a photo of the living room so you can see the window treatment I'm talking about, and the wall (with the picture on it) where the tank will be going.
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im doing a pee dance of excitment!
^lol. no doubt this will be bonkers. it's been months in the making.
I've done some more research on my system. I wanted to nail down a starting point for lighting. I am 100% sold on the 10 bulb powermodule from ATI, infact it's been ordered... but the bulb combinations are always a tricky thing...
Here's my current thoughts in order from "front to back" if you will.
Ati blue plus
Ati Actinic
Ati blue special
Ati blue plus
Ati blue actinic
aquacscience white
fiji purple
Ati actynic
Ati blue special
Ati blue plus
This setup is what the 2008 TOTM winner uses, or at least was running at that time, so why not start from that point and tune/tweak from there.
smart to steal the bulb combo lol but 13 holes....you are a mad man!
updates? it's been over 10 days, god!
I bet hes out getting some antlers to put above the tank!
oh yeah, with the bow i believe
Wow I can tell that I havn't been on or any where in a while... Grats man ..let mw know if ya need help...haha wow I missed alot on this form is like I went into a coma and just woke up... grats on the tank Tim !!!!!!!!!!!!
No updates... tank is being built, no ETA, but I'm guessing mid Nov delivery. Lights orderd... working on getting some additional components, pumps, plumbing, OM4-way, etc...
I'll keep posting as things happen. :)
Quote from: Hookup on October 19, 2009, 09:35:37 AM
I'll keep posting as things happen. :)
good cuz im running out of fingernails!
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Quote from: audioslave_36 on October 27, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Agree...
However work has been so crazy busy, travel, now hunting week is next week.. i'm kind of glad things are not here this week...
Good news! The tank is going to be completed this Friday. I'll work out shipping or going to get it soon... however, what do you think of a tank with 13 holes being completed on a Friday the 13th? Do I simply throw the water all over the floor now or wait for the black cat?
Quote from: Hookup on November 11, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Good news! The tank is going to be completed this Friday. I'll work out shipping or going to get it soon... however, what do you think of a tank with 13 holes being completed on a Friday the 13th? Do I simply throw the water all over the floor now or wait for the black cat?
lol so what kind of luck do you normally have?
LOL... thats bad jou jou for sure, here is the cat;
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Hey, talk about bad luck...steer clear of me. When I finally find Murphy I plan to, well..you know.
Quote from: Hookup on November 11, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Good news! The tank is going to be completed this Friday. I'll work out shipping or going to get it soon... however, what do you think of a tank with 13 holes being completed on a Friday the 13th? Do I simply throw the water all over the floor now or wait for the black cat?
ROLF... Good luck... When are you getting a black cat?
Bruce
OoOoOoO... :) thats great news Hookup! im exicited to see some photos when you get it in! take 1,000,000,000!
Yeah I can't friggin' WAIT to see this thing come together!
this will be such a nice tank
Quote from: JD on November 12, 2009, 04:00:20 AM
Hey, talk about bad luck...steer clear of me. When I finally find Murphy I plan to, well..you know.
I really wish people would stop blaming me for all of their problems.......
;)
Can't wait to see some new pics!
HEY REDBELLY, ARE YOU WATCHING THIS THREAD?
WHEN DOES THE TANK GET SHIPPED?
I figured I could call ya and ask, or I could just post here... put you on the spot... you know... public pressure...
Oh, and do not forget that discount of 75%... I'm pretty sure it was Trina who told me you were going to do a 75% discount... or maybe it was Achilles?
HAHA, Yeah I have been lurking a lot :)
I will call tomorrow and find out for you. Not today though, its tuesday and my only day off!!
like john said sunday.....how is it your only day off when you're only open 2 days lol good laughs...
tim and ou must relax....you cant piss off the saltwate gods or something could happen to the tank....slow and steady wins the race!
Quote from: redbelly on November 17, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
HAHA, Yeah I have been lurking a lot :)
I will call tomorrow and find out for you. Not today though, its tuesday and my only day off!!
TUESDAY IS OVER IN 1hr 52min... Lets not start slacking off now...
DAMN! got me excited again!
Hey Hookup, get in line! I am waiting for Redbelly to make calls for me too! :)
Quote from: JD on November 18, 2009, 04:19:13 AM
Hey Hookup, get in line! I am waiting for Redbelly to make calls for me too! :)
It'd be easy to get angry if he was lazy... but we know both Trina and Pat are frigg'n working basically 24x7... Quality is worth the wait... and it's fun to bug him about it as well... ;)
IT IS HERE!!! PHOTOS TO FOLLOW... Just need to get it into the house... rounding up strong people now... CHRISTMAS COMES EARLY TO FISH-TOWN!
OMG OMG OMG! i can wait to see!
Quote from: Hookup on November 18, 2009, 01:24:54 PM
IT IS HERE!!! PHOTOS TO FOLLOW... Just need to get it into the house... rounding up strong people now... CHRISTMAS COMES EARLY TO FISH-TOWN!
Cool Pat just called me and my tank has also arrived ;D
Finally!.. i expect to see fish in it by 7pm tonight.. make that 6:30
.... taps toe impatiently...
is it in yet?
can u tease us with a pic of the packaging?
There is an issue...
I got a call, saying I needed to come and check things out... So I left work early to go see the tank... There are three issues...
1) Black Silllycone was used, not clear... though I did not specify, and the black looks good... so its not really an issue... just a lack of communication on my part.
2) 13 holes requested... 12 drilled... I've got to run thru the design to see the impact, if any... I do not anticipate any issues with this, just a minor disappointment.
3) The Eurobracing is done out of regular glass... not starfire like the rest of the tank... meaning you see a 1/2" of green-glass at the top... That one really bugs me.
Because I left from work I did not have a camera... Photos will be taken soon... but at this point I'm waiting for feedback from the builder when they get in tomorrow and read the email which as sent.
The disappointment is the issue... everything else is easily fixable... well maybe not the 13 holes vs 12 holes... not easily.. but the eurobracing should be a no brainer.
On the PLUS... I can do the following
* Stand can be built! The tank is 72.125 long by 24.5 tall by 25.25 wide.. exterior size... therefore I can open walls and build a stand.
* The hole pattern can be traced onto a piece of wood and the DIY rock can be built! (assuming the 12 vs 13 isn't an issue)
As well the ATI powermodule should be here this weekend... YEAH! So I can get to work on that as well, getting the lighting installed!
So as much as this is disappointing... it's progress...
Bummer about the bumps in the road, but it'll turn out great. Can't wait to see it!
Im glad you can see the bright side of things. im sure things will work out for hte best in the end. good luck with the build / renovation!!
i would return it if i were you lol
maybe the 13 holes structurally wouldnt work out and thats why they did 12?
...black silicone imo is better than clear...its got a nice crisp line and looks dope!
the starphire is defintly a pain in the ass....they should knock off a few dollars for that and the extra hole...but im sure you will work around it Tim and that light is gonna be INTENSE!!!!!!!!!
I agree that the disappointment on your point should be worth a few dollars coming back your way. If they said they would build it one way for X amount and didn't deliver they should lose 'some' of their profit that they no doubt made on that tank. BUT just my opinion, lets hope the builder runs his/her company with the same ethics.
I really look forward to seeing the tank come together Tim. Good luck! hopefully that is the end of the '13' curse the tank has.
Quote from: xiaan on November 18, 2009, 01:59:11 PM
Cool Pat just called me and my tank has also arrived ;D
BTW, got to have a look at your tank... I'm sure you'll be impressed... A wonderful looking system, really... it's a dream... BTW, where's the build thread?
So which hole is missing?
Quote from: Contains Moose on November 18, 2009, 11:10:11 PM
So which hole is missing?
the 13th one... duh... :D ;D :D
by the diagram... the second Closed-Loop, it's input-line..(to the pump)... Changing that from a 1 in and 4 out, to a 1 in 3 out solves the "issue" in theory... I need to play with the model a bit more and ensure its going to work effectively... For "turbulent" flow I wanted 4 zones (outputs) on the Oceans Motions 4-way... For the mass-motion closed loop I had 4 outputs, I guess I can look at going to 3 at this point... or splitting one of the 3 inside the tank...
Quote from: Hookup on November 18, 2009, 09:17:27 PM
BTW, got to have a look at your tank... I'm sure you'll be impressed... A wonderful looking system, really... it's a dream... BTW, where's the build thread?
I have not had time to take some photos but besides get the stand and order the tank I have not done much I will probably start one when I get the tank.
An update on the "issues"... at this point there is finger pointing going on... who said what to do when and why... no one is taking the responsiblity for the 13th hole... No clear documentation or paper trail has been produced to clarify the situation either... I'm having an angry day... The builder is not being very flexible, from my point of view... of course from theirs, they do not have to be and anything they are offering is going above and beyond...
Finding the middle ground will be a challange.
What about the eurobracing?
Eurobracing is a pretty clear issue. I did not specify that it should be in starfire. They did not think to ask. They are willing to cover the labour of the reinstall, however, they are not willing to cover shipping or the cost of the parts. The issue of the 12 vs 13 holes right now is about assigning blame, which I guess is the first step in resolving it.
Had you originally said 12 holes then changed your mind? Otherwise, if you had said 13 all along I don't see how the blame could be on you at all...
Quote from: Hookup on November 18, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
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The Eurobracing is done out of regular glass... not starfire like the rest of the tank... meaning you see a 1/2" of green-glass at the top...
Understand. Have you considered:
- Don't most canopies overlap the top edge such that 1/2" of green wouldn't be visible? (with four sides viewable in a wall, one side of the wall will have a canopy?)
- You're going for a fairly turbulent and variable flow correct? So you'd want something to overlap the top edge anyway, so the surface of the water of the water doesn't make a visible line towards the top of the tank that shows the resulting varying/churning "waves" so your guests don't end up feeling sea-sick when they view your tank? From the photo, it is going in the dining room? You may be fine with it, but some stores end up putting wide black tape up around the upper edge for this reason as they have no control of the stomach of whoever walks in the door.
- It's going in wall yet four-side viewable? Sticking out which side? (I assume it's not to be a penny toss feature for guests & their kids) Going for rimless anywhere? How is the drywall-to-tank seam going to be sealed and finished? Will the eurobracing edge be visible?
- Any eurobracing visible from below the water will be back-lit by your lighting and will not stand much chance of showing any green.
Quote from: Hookup on November 18, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
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13 holes requested... 12 drilled... I've got to run thru the design to see the impact, if any... I do not anticipate any issues with this, just a minor disappointment...
Have you passed the consequences past Paul at Ocean Motions yet?
And, I assume the bottom was treated after all the holes were drilled? As in, you can't drill the missing hole?
Any chance that the hole closest to the missing one can be plumbed to run two channels of water through the bulkhead, then run under the sand/rock to the missing location? Even if it's a sealing bulkhead and two smaller lines? Not ideal, but how much affect would two smaller lines have compared to one less line?
Quote from: Cheebs on November 20, 2009, 05:09:10 PM
Had you originally said 12 holes then changed your mind? Otherwise, if you had said 13 all along I don't see how the blame could be on you at all...
I did send a drawing with 12 holes in it. Then an update 6 days later. I believe the deposit was not sent until after the second drawing. But I can certainly see where the confusion, on the builders part, could occur. However, I do not think it's unreasonable for me to update my drawing & spec prior to the build and expect the builder to be able to keep track. Correct me if you disagree, sometimes a third-party perspective is required. :)
Quote from: Canoe on November 20, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Understand. Have you considered:
- Don't most canopies overlap the top edge such that 1/2" of green wouldn't be visible? (with four sides viewable in a wall, one side of the wall will have a canopy?)
- You're going for a fairly turbulent and variable flow correct? So you'd want something to overlap the top edge anyway, so the surface of the water of the water doesn't make a visible line towards the top of the tank that shows the resulting varying/churning "waves" so your guests don't end up feeling sea-sick when they view your tank? From the photo, it is going in the dining room? You may be fine with it, but some stores end up putting wide black tape up around the upper edge for this reason as they have no control of the stomach of whoever walks in the door.
- It's going in wall yet four-side viewable? Sticking out which side? (I assume it's not to be a penny toss feature for guests & their kids) Going for rimless anywhere? How is the drywall-to-tank seam going to be sealed and finished? Will the eurobracing edge be visible?
- Any eurobracing visible from below the water will be back-lit by your lighting and will not stand much chance of showing any green.
Anything is fixable, usually in multiple ways. It doesn't correct the mistake, but it can be overcome.
The tank will be 'in the wall' for 4.5 inches to be flush with the one room, and sticking into the other. The tank is an open top design, so the euro bracing will be visible, well is supposed to be... The lighting is from an ATI Powermodule that will be suspended above the tank giving an open, clean look. I will be putting a mesh-cover on the tank to protect the dartfish and wrasses from their own stupid selves.... but even that has been designed to leverage the eurobracing to ensure again, a minimal/no impact on the sight lines.
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Have you passed the consequences past Paul at Ocean Motions yet?
And, I assume the bottom was treated after all the holes were drilled? As in, you can't drill the missing hole?
Any chance that the hole closest to the missing one can be plumbed to run two channels of water through the bulkhead, then run under the sand/rock to the missing location? Even if it's a sealing bulkhead and two smaller lines? Not ideal, but how much affect would two smaller lines have compared to one less line?
Yes, the bottom is tempered 3/4" glass. No more holes are possible. Paul and I have spoken, and he has some ideas/thoughts on how to accomplish the 13holes by creating a custom bulkhead. I'm grateful for his input.
The "problem" is that the missing hole is for a intake-line to one of the closed loops. Both closed loops have their intake lines on the lefthand side of the tank. This creates a "depression" by removing 8400gph of water from that side of the tank... This was 50% of the mass-motion flow that would keep the tank-water rolling counter-clockwise in the tank. I can use a different hole, but then the effect is gone... and there-in lies the problem.... I need to keep the two CL intakes on the same-side to assist with the mass-flow...
Thanks for the suggestions/ideas. I really do appreciated the help and ideas.
Changing your initial plan and relaying it to the builder with ample time is not too much to ask. You are the customer and from what I understand, "the customer is always right" You seem to be taking this well. I know that if I submitted my exact specifications and the final product came back different than what I had requested, I'd SNAP. Good on ya for keeping your cool. I still can't wait to see some pics of this tank/build!
Quote from: Hookup on November 20, 2009, 08:17:08 PM
I did send a drawing with 12 holes in it. Then an update 6 days later. I believe the deposit was not sent until after the second drawing. But I can certainly see where the confusion, on the builders part, could occur. However, I do not think it's unreasonable for me to update my drawing & spec prior to the build and expect the builder to be able to keep track. Correct me if you disagree, sometimes a third-party perspective is required. :)
Tim, In my line of work I deal with contracts with contractors and deal with a lot of change orders. If you had redone your drawings and documented it with a date, and a new email (Transmittal) it will stand up in any court as being part of your contract. The builder needs to make this right, either by giving you a fair amount of money back for your trouble or providing the materials/labour for bulkhead you mentioned. Good luck.
Page 2 of this thread has a diagram with 12 holes, but the text clearly says there are 13, sent to builder on Sept 10th.
Page 3 of this thread has a diagram with 13 holes, with more text, also saying 13 holes, sent to builder on Sept 16th.
I see the problem, however, it's not my responsibility to keep track of the 'latest diagrams'. That's the builders job.
I hope for a more reasonable resolution. Believe me, i'm like a duck right now... calm on the surface, but under neath, im churning water at a ferocious pace... Being calm is the only way to get a resolution IMO.. but I really do want to go off the deep end...
Hang in there!
Hey Tim
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nice link Jeff....even though you havent been around in a while i will still love you lol
i'm surprised Tim is this calm...i'm waiting for an explosion though...i think i will play the devil in all of this though.
Tim...if i were you i'd be breaking some skulls, i'd start with the guy who was getting the tank for you...and then the builder lol.
I'd want a $1000 back for damages or maybe a cheaper fixture ;) lol I'm really upset that there hasnt been a famous Tim rant....and it SUCKS! Blow UP ALREADY!
Hey Micro, am I just imagining things or are you missing me?
hey this is tims thread stop jacking it!
yes i miss you lol sorry :(
Tim, sometimes being tooo calm doesn't fix everything to the best. (I'm sure you know this) u should be very stern about what you want done to help your situation. you are very reasonable and I'm sure your solution is VERY doable on their end. you pay good money to these people and they made the mistakes.
also-
i believe its their mistake for not giving you the information (choice) on what color the seals would be. i really hope things work out perfect for you.
Thanks everyone... I spent the past 4 years arguing with my ex-wife and it has taught me more patience than I ever thought possible... I just do not get angry anymore because there are more important things. I'm not going to lie, when I see a guy at the airport going-off and getting upgraded to "calm him down", I do feel "hey, here I am trying to be the nice guy, and all i get for it is thanks...". In the end, somethings, no many things are way more important than a fishtank... perspective keeps me rational... most of the time ;)
My wife gave me a really good idea for masking the glass at the top of the tank which I will likely use if I cannot get it replaced. It's going to cost me a few bucks, but I can have a brushed stainless steel 1/2 inch rim made for the tank, simply for show. The look would match the ATI powermodule, hide the green-glass, and I can incorporate some stainless steel into the stand design to tie it all in. This solution is quite a good one, IMO, because it doesn't have to be done now (ie. no immediate out-of-pocket expense), and it'll keep the aesthetics of the tank.
The 13th hole is becoming the issue... I'm really working on the flow-design to ensure that I can accomplish what I want with the missing hole... I'm working on it... well right now actually... I'll update later tonight, or get a few stiff rye into me and forget about this nonsense for the evening... ;)
That was the most disappointing post we have seen on here in ever from you Tim. No Sarcasim, nothing. Oh well....Sandy is a genius for the stainless steel trim though and will make the tank cleaner imo..smart woman, keep her lol. Hopefully they 13th hole issue gets worked out but yeah should be an awesome setup none the less!
Yeah the brushed stainless would look pretty cool, I agree.
It would also also tie into the strip on your wall to the left of the tank.
But lets see if we cant get it replaced with starphire anyways!
Yep... Sandy really had a good idea on that one... she claims it was something i mentioned a long time ago..???.. but i don't remember and either way, she came up with it at the right time.
And yes-sir, it would integrate the look just fine with the wall....
yo that sucks man. but on the bright side, you have it now. and im sure there will be many ups and downs... but in the end it'll just work out
hmmm the problems that make it interesting! The trim sounds like a great idea. keep on truckin and it will be going in no time, I guarantee.
(guarantee not guaranteed)
Hmmm...so this certainly sucks. If you sent the updated drawings with the extra hole, and you paid for 13 holes, they have no choice but to deliver the tank with 13 holes? Seems to make sense to me. Want me to call and yell at them for you? 8) Really, I don't even know how they can try to deliver this without the last hole. Unless I missed something here.
I forget, do you have the tank yet (don't want to go back and look haha)? Have you paid anything besides the deposit and how did you pay the deposit?
The Rim sounds cool. I have not seen my tank yet (Pat should have it delivered this week) but It probably is made the same way. I was planning on making a small hood that my two ATI fixtures can sit on (I am not allowed :( to have them hanging) so It should not be a problem.
Can't wait for the new thread next year -
FS: 180g custom tank
followed by the thread
My 500g, 4 sided viewable project.
Quote from: xiaan on November 23, 2009, 10:40:03 AM
The Rim sounds cool. I have not seen my tank yet (Pat should have it delivered this week) but It probably is made the same way. I was planning on making a small hood that my two ATI fixtures can sit on (I am not allowed :( to have them hanging) so It should not be a problem.
Yours infact, does use starfire for the eurobracing. Their logic was, it was just laying around as scrap so it was used. Not as an upgrade, but as a cost-savings to the manufacture.
Hookup, I hope they quickly resolve your issues ASAP.
It's been a long wait for this tank, and now issues :(
I feel your pain, Best of luck!
Bruce
Thanks, Luckily I'm also dealing with a quality LFS (Pat at OttawaInverts) who's taking on my cause with the builder. Not saying that anyone is guaranteeing results here... In the end, if the mfg plays hard-ball and simply says "take me to court"... I'll have to deal with it... but Pat's offered to get involved as best he can. He was really just a middle man in the process, but any support and/or help is greatly appreciated.
Anyhow, I've got a busy week this week, then after Sunday, nothing planned... so I'll get the wall opened up, the wiring fixedered up and the stand built. Buy the time that's all done, i'll know exactly what is happening with the tank.
Thanks for everyone's comments.. honestly, it's nice to know others as almost as involved in this process as I am... ;)
Tim if you need any help let me know can come help you break some shizz....i can bring sawzall and stuff and anything else you'd need im sure i could "borrow" from work so yeah let me know!
Tim,
Good luck with getting things sorted out to your satisfaction. I'm sure that you must be rather p o'd with this turn of events. I know that I would be.
So, will you have crossed fly rods mounted above the tank? ;D
Thanks for all the well-wishing about the tank, however at this point, the builder is not budging and it looks like it's take it as-is, or go to small-claims court. I'm running out of creative ideas and it's extremely difficult when one party is unwilling to even offer solutions or ideas.
sorry to hear. U gone try and drill it? What about buying the euro glass and caulking it urself? Do u really need 13? Can u make due with 12? From trina, she said the black caulk looked steller and brought a good point about how clear cilly never stays clear, and how black will not fade.
Black caulking... i'm good with... happy with even
Non-Starfire Euro will be covered with stainless steel (brushed) and will look sexy.
If we cannot get the 13th hole (which cannot be added, the bottom is now tempered, I will look at several options regarding plumbing. None of which I'm thrilled about at this time, but I've got some ideas. Including a custom cnc machined bulk-head...
sounds like you have figured out and are somewhat happy with what you got. if you can figure something out with the "hole" issue, perhaps it wouldn't be worth paying a lawyer for small claims. i hope you work something out! im excited to see some pic's. please take a pic of the smashed up wall! =)
True enough... i'm happy to be moving forward.... well soon anyhow... I feel like your avatar...
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Quote from: Hookup on November 24, 2009, 06:56:49 PM
... I've got some ideas. Including a custom cnc machined bulk-head...
This is the most economical option - and it allows you to keep the designed flow pattern provided you can get the flow rates through - but I doubt it needs to be CNCed.
Rather than a custom bulkhead, I'd suggest using a
standard bulkhead with a custom pipe to achieve the same functionality (
keeps the reliability and integrity by using a standard schedule bulkhead):
- solid rod, threaded on the outside to fit the bulkhead (or an off-the-shelf threaded tube, filled & bonded with a solid rod?),
- drill/machine two channels through the solid rod to function as separate bulkheads. The cross-section of channels through the rod at the bulkhead do not have to be circles, allowing for maximum flow rates from maximum cross-section areas. (Don't have to be equal size, but as you're directing the return to different holes I assume your design wants them to be equal)
- the drilled/machined channels may benefit from annealing to provide a smoother surface (less fouling, easier to clean) to the machined surfaces (manufacturer's specs will provide annealing details appropriate to the plastic used).
- once you have the rod machined to seal and provide two channels, if a simple sealing cap on the end with drilled or drilled & tapped won't provide the connections you need, then additional rod can be machined and bonded (with additional sealing collar?) to either end to provide the connections you desire.
- depending on type of bulkhead, additional machining may be required:
- continuously threaded bulkhead - you're good to go;
- sealing flange in the middle with threads both sides - the rod needs to be narrowed to fit past the sealing flange
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If you're willing to choose a continuously threaded bulkhead, then you can have the largest cross-section flow area.
Quote from: Hookup on November 24, 2009, 08:07:20 PM
True enough... i'm happy to be moving forward.... well soon anyhow... I feel like your avatar...
LOL. yea, i actualy forgot about that.
so what is the name of this manufacture that no one else should have a tank built by? maybe then then might regret their decision. By the sounds of your plans so far, this was going to be a huge "business card" for their work.
its not good to slander the company it was a mistake and dealing with it and speaking with them....i'm sure everything will work out in the end but its not good to blast them on the forum until things are resolved...
not quite sure how you felt I slandered anyone ???
look back a few post of your own and see where you were egging Tim on to start ranting about the tank maker, guess you should also think before you type!
Hey Tim, what fish do you plan on putting in there? Big fish, lots of small, a mix?
some input from a big tank owner with euro bracing. why starphire glass for euro?? it makes no difference at all for the eurobracing. it won't change the way your corals will look seriously ;) the way the light exstends from you reflector it won\t be hampered or green.
13th hole, let me know, I,ll drill it for cheap and I'll even come to you house. I drilled 10 holes in mine.
black silicone you'll get used to it.
don't sweat the euro at all. in fact they probally used thicker float glass for the bracing because star usually only comes in 1/2'' thickness unless laminated.
You must be superman to be able to drill tempered glass! your my hero
he uses his piercing eye beams.
ahh having read a bit more, you had the bottom drilled 12 times ! and then tempered, brave soul. have to see this tank someday.
Quote from: veron on November 28, 2009, 06:46:53 AM
some input from a big tank owner with euro bracing. why starphire glass for euro?? it makes no difference at all for the eurobracing. it won't change the way your corals will look seriously ;) the way the light exstends from you reflector it won\t be hampered or green.
You probably already caught up in the thread veron, but the startphire glass on this tank is visible to the eye. There is no canopy. This creates a hard-green line around the top of the tank which is quite unsightly, IMO. If there was a canopy on the tank, then you're right, it's no difference what so ever, but alais, there is not, so something will have to be done.
BTW, ty for the offer to drill the 13th hole, you've seen the temepered part... but ty for the offer.
Quote from: salvini55 on November 28, 2009, 12:58:18 AM
Hey Tim, what fish do you plan on putting in there? Big fish, lots of small, a mix?
Wrasse-fantasticness. I want to get mostly fish that are highly functional in the tank... Dragonface pipefish are going in for sure as are mandrin fish... i'm keeping several of my current swimmers, but I'm pretty sure the clowns are going... nice fish, but w/o an annomenomneny to host in their taking up space IMO. The yellow-bellied regal tang is staying, i like the blue color... the convict tang & yellow tang are likely staying as well... aurora gobie staies royal gramma stays (he's now over 16months in my tank)...
Anthais are not on the list... btw... nor are any reef-safe-with-caution fish... cept maybe a copper banded butterfly... cause man they are the cats pajamas.
What no clowns? Just get them an enemy and you're good to go.
The original drawing shows only 12 holes, can you show where the 13th should be?
Quote from: Contains Moose on December 01, 2009, 02:21:02 PM
The original drawing shows only 12 holes, can you show where the 13th should be?
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Bruce
I count thirteen holes. The holes for input mass flow, where are they?
It's one of the two cyan colored ones on the left hand side... pick one, doesn't matter, their both the same, and do the same thing....
The concept is that the two closed-loops draw in water from the two left-hand-side holes (cyan) creating negative "space" on that side of the tank, starting the mass-motion/barrel roll around the system. The green holes are from CL1 that continues to promote the mass-motion/barrel roll around the system in an anti-clockwise direction.
The second CL is on an oceans motions 4-way adding the variable non-laminar flow in the tank.
At this point, the holes reflect the first diagram posted as it was what the builder used as a pattern. You'll notice that there was no second-closed loop input on that diagram.
Let me layer both pics together so we can see the best way to solve the problem, all the holes are drilled for 1 1/2" bulkheads? correct?
Yes, all the holes are drilled for 1.5" bulkheads.
Somethings that the design *must* have is proper and balanced flow for the closed loops. Splitting closed loop outputs is not an option because there is no way to control and tune/change the flow characteristics if the split is on the inside of the tank driven by a single ball-valve. Additionally, the turbid, non-linear flow must be created throughout the entire reef-rock work system.
I do realize that there are ways to make things work and I appericiate any options and suggestions people have. HOwever, recognize that the 13holes were a result of the design characteristics that I wanted as features in a custom-built tank and at the price I paid, I did not expect to have to compromise.
1. Mass-flow/Laminar flow through one CL - this ensures that no matter how dense the corals get, the kentic energy in the mass-motion keeps flow going into and around the corals.
2. Turbid flow through a second CL + OM4Way - this counter-acts the mass-motion to ensure detritus doesn't get built-up/piled up in places. Over time, I expect to have to stop the closed loops and use a power-head to blast the reef. This would likely be monthly maintenance.
3. Two drain lines simulating a herbie-style overflow and a single return line
4. Every line can be tuned and controlled with a ball valve ensuring that I can create and modify the flow as corals mature
5. CL would be driven off of Gold-Series Hammerheads from Sequence. Initially these might be restricted as they are 6200gph pumps, but as per feature 4 above, I'd have all the flexibility in the world to control this.
Suggestions appreciated.
wowzerz! i wish i could live inside your head just for 5 min's! i think i'v read most of this thread 5-6 times now. your one crazy man Tim!
Quote from: Contains Moose on December 01, 2009, 07:23:25 PM
Let me layer both pics together so we can see the best way to solve the problem, all the holes are drilled for 1 1/2" bulkheads? correct?
here they are together
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how much space below the glass bottom - can a low-resistance flow solution to put two channels in one bulkhead take five inches to split into two pipe connections?
and how much space above the glass can a pipe take to turn to be able to have one continue vertical for the original holes purpose and the other turn to the side to head where the missing hole is (it appears that it can run under rock all the way?)
Quote from: Hookup on December 01, 2009, 07:44:57 PM
Yes, all the holes are drilled for 1.5" bulkheads.
Splitting closed loop outputs is not an option because there is no way to control and tune/change the flow characteristics if the split is on the inside of the tank driven by a single ball-valve.
who said we would split using a single ball valve? each split can be controlled independently.
Quote from: Hookup on November 29, 2009, 09:52:16 AM
Wrasse-fantasticness. I want to get mostly fish that are highly functional in the tank... Dragonface pipefish are going in for sure as are mandrin fish... i'm keeping several of my current swimmers, but I'm pretty sure the clowns are going... nice fish, but w/o an annomenomneny to host in their taking up space IMO. The yellow-bellied regal tang is staying, i like the blue color... the convict tang & yellow tang are likely staying as well... aurora gobie staies royal gramma stays (he's now over 16months in my tank)...
Anthais are not on the list... btw... nor are any reef-safe-with-caution fish... cept maybe a copper banded butterfly... cause man they are the cats pajamas.
Totally agree with the pipefish. Not only are they cool but they eat all those nasty tank invaders! CBB is my number one fish on my list right now! I have been reading for months about them and im still iffy' Ill prolly get one inplace of a tang. Slowly i am drifting away from anthias as well, I may just get more gobys instead IDK. All this has to wait for a new skimmer and thats gonna be a while... (Put the bike away for the winter :'( and bought a car.)
Reading through the "13th hole" posts is starting to get me confused... Im still convinced that you are building a robotic butler.
one thing to remember, don't overthink this to much because in my 8+ years of tanks one thing I do know,things change. you'll be redoing your rockwork more than 1 time for sure!
also,corals will grow and change your waterflow anyways. I kepted my closed loop simple and let powerheads become the adjustable factor.
just don't get to frustrated from the getgo. If you wanna stop by sometime to see how my closed loop works in all its gettoness feel free. :)
THE ATI POWERMOUDLE ARRIVED! In all of it's 60 inches of GLORY and SEXYNESS. Here are some photos!
The box in my living room when it arrived... a big sucker for sure.
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Nice packing materials... This sucker was bomb-proof... I love quality packing, it usually means the MFG cares about their products.
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Checking out the glory
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Do you see this thing... frigg'n awesomeness.
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Now that's some reflector-awesome... (All we did is pull the plexi out of the way, I didn't want to peel it until the day it's used.)
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The final installation place... IMO it looks pretty darn good there... no?
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The goofy little plug that runs the fans in the module... IMO this could be higher quality... it works, looks solid, but has no SEXY what so ever.
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Now that is something to talk about, amiright?
SWEET light fixture! can we get a shot of where the tank is going to be? im getting more excited!
Tanks going right where Pat and I are holding it up... The painting on the wall is hiding the test-hole in the wall, which is about to get bigger.
Holy cow! I just bought a house, and seeing this is making me want to do the same thing. That is one helluva light! Can't wait to see it it set up with the tank.
Holly crow! What a beast. Is it ten fans or five? sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick! U made me laugh abaout the plug, its true. finally something to look at!
PS - wicked rug
Thanks, the rug is IKEA cow...
There are two bulbs per fan, 5 fans total over 10 lights. The cool thing is that the fans are off-center, length wise... they are about 75% of the way down the length of the light... and they push air into the fixture.... The air goes in the top, and is forced towards the short-side (25% travel) where it warms that end of the bulb from heat already picked up... then it travels the full length back towards the other side where it exits... this keeps the entire bulb at a more uniform heat level, producing better/optimal conditions for the bulb. Pretty sexy if you ask me.
That is one amazing looking lamp. I'm just trying to imagine all that light poring out the bottom of almost nothing - thin or what!
John T
that is bad a$$ man. gangster.
Tim im glad you answered my question I didnt ask. With that info Im going to mod the Tek light for some fans! done deal
Quote from: salvini55 on December 06, 2009, 12:03:03 AM
Tim im glad you answered my question I didnt ask. With that info Im going to mod the Tek light for some fans! done deal
Throw some photos into a thread for us would ya, when you get into it.
I think it looks like Pat is getting a big ol' thumb print on your reflector when he's holding the fixture up. You may want to check into out. :)
again. bad-a$$. that thing is mind blowing. all i can picture is the amount of light that 'could' produce.
awsome lighting! who's that funny looking guy with you ;)
some homeless guy... ;D
Whats going on in the basement? keeping the exsisting set up? Sorry if im being ignorant and you posted the answer already ;D
The existing sump is staying virtually as-is. It'll get a load of LR from the existing display added to it, the cheato-zone will be... better.. .lol. right now it sucks... But no, in general no plans for change. down stairs...
That is one sharp looking fixture! Very sleek! Can't wait to see the blinding effect I am sure it will have.
The suspense is killing me! Any more progress :P
This is going to be wicked when it running!
Bruce
great news! I've made some decisions about the tank and can start to move forward.
I cannot go into the details right now, but I will be using the existing tank, though I will be sending it back to have the eurobracing replaced with starphire.
I have significantly modified the internal flow from the two closed loops to create the effect that I believe will work well for the system. This includes a small maintenance task of monthly taking a power-head and blasting the rock-work of detritius... which is a good practice IMO anyhow.
Next steps
1) get the hole pattern transfered to a piece of ply-wood
2) open up the wall and build the stand
3) create the plumbing and encase it in DIY cement
4) recieve the fixed-up tank and install the DIY coated plumbing
5) connect plumbing
6) transfer the system from the existing DT to the new one.
I'm pretty darn jazzed about this and expect to start ripping walls open etc imminantly... yes, this means my house will be a bit of a mess for the holidays, but the holidays is when I expect to get this all done... hopefully be up and running very soon... If the tank can have the eurobracing replaced before the end of december, I figure I can be up and running in the first week of jan!!!!
This is very exciting. I will be happy to award you TOTY when its all said and done. :)
Glad to hear you are making progress again. Good luck, I'll be watching the thread!
Bruce
if you get some plastic plugs made the same size as frag plugs you can insert them in the cement rock work, remove them later, it will make frag mounting a piece of cake.
Quote from: Contains Moose on December 10, 2009, 01:09:14 PM
if you get some plastic plugs made the same size as frag plugs you can insert them in the cement rock work, remove them later, it will make frag mounting a piece of cake.
This could be Idea of the year right here! I have such an issue mounting frags.
are you talking about DIY rocks? Cuz thats a great idea.
Quote from: salvini55 on December 10, 2009, 06:09:09 PM
are you talking about DIY rocks? Cuz thats a great idea.
Yes... i'm creating pipe work for the two over-flows and the return, as well as for the closed-loop lines... that pipework will be 100% hidden inside DIY rock (cement)... During that process, I'll try to get some spots pre-egineered for frag-plugins... (ps frag plugins is now trademarked, you owe me $1 every time you use it).
THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICTURES!!!!!
Fact
I agree.. what a looser.
Talk about lazy! It's been 6 days since the last pic. What have you been doing all this time? ;D
come-on hookup! when you post a pic of your tank (that your shiping back) or a pic of a wall laying on the floor, ill update my build pics
I would like to see a pic of the missing hole.
I'm heading away for the evening/day... will not be back till tomorrow... will have a pic of something posted... Maybe even a pic of the missing hole just for moose... lol
I would like to see more pictures of homeless guys helping out with this build. Maybe this guy?..........
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that guy kinda looks like pat....hmm interesting
haha, yeah thats definately the guy helping!
Tim I hope you know how to sew. All the thread jacking is unravelling this build at the seems.
If you need more help with the build I know a place where the labour is cheap. You get what you pay for though.
edit: removed an attached picture that may be offensive
lol i'm sure that post will be deleted lol awesome pic kevin....guy reminds me of my dad lol
true, it is a little graphic. With the things that are on TV these days im sure this is peanuts. Mods feel free to delete
a little photoshop makes it less abrasive
Quote from: salvini55 on December 12, 2009, 04:47:33 PM
Tim I hope you know how to sew. All the thread jacking is unravelling this build at the seems.
If you need more help with the build I know a place where the labour is cheap. You get what you pay for though.
LOL - Love the pic...and the fussy hands are a nice touch!
Quote from: Contains Moose on December 11, 2009, 11:33:41 PM
I would like to see a pic of the missing hole.
now
that's funny
The tank was inspected by a crack-team of experts... they disassembled the entire tank, right back down to basics... they did not find the hole... confirming it was missing, but alas, no photo...
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Finally, after being frustrated by this hole for so-long I decided to re-design the entire system... and while I was at it, I decided to connect it to the entire house... This system is at least 1039% better than the last system...
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But I really have to get this project moving... The fish are taking over... here's my bath tub...
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This is my wife after she found the bath tub situation..
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:P :P :P
LOL! Excellent! Thats what we get when we ask for photos when none are available.
Its final, this thread is officially jacked. All we need now is some rapping. Kev, Vince...?
money in the bank
but cant afford no drank
crack-team what you think
about a koi pond in ma sink
all i gotta do is flush
if i wanna do a water change
got salt creep in my toothbrush
the wife thinks that im kinda strange
im M C Square,
This is how it goes,
I'd like to get it on,
with the guy that drilled 12 holes.
kevin's wraps are weaker than a orphans attire..
wishing he was better - was his only desire,
AND;
getting to my level's something he'd never acquire!
sorry son.
meanwhile;
mr MC Square took a shot to become a winner..
only time we get a bite outta Snider,
Is when im making hot dogs for diner!
sorry son.
Signed,
BOOMBAP!!
Quote from: salvini55 on December 14, 2009, 12:25:51 PM
money in the bank
but cant afford no drank
crack-team what you think
about a koi pond in ma sink
all i gotta do is flush
if i wanna do a water change
got salt creep in my toothbrush
the wife thinks that im kinda strange
Love it!!!
Quote from: Snider82 on December 14, 2009, 06:21:12 PM
im M C Square,
This is how it goes,
I'd like to get it on,
with the guy that drilled 12 holes.
LMAO - That is freakin hilarious!!!
Quote from: Vince. on December 14, 2009, 09:13:56 PM
kevin's wraps are weaker than a orphans attire..
wishing he was better - was his only desire,
AND;
getting to my level's something he'd never acquire!
sorry son.
meanwhile;
mr MC Square took a shot to become a winner..
only time we get a bite outta Snider,
Is when im making hot dogs for diner!
sorry son.
Signed,
BOOMBAP!!
HAHA - nice integration of snider rap...
Love how Severum calls and you all come running - the masses love your raps!!! Keep em coming, very entertaining.
Quote from: Vince. on December 14, 2009, 09:13:56 PM
meanwhile;
mr MC Square took a shot to become a winner..
only time we get a bite outta Snider,
Is when im making hot dogs for diner!
sorry son.
The rap that comes from vince,
reminds me of fresh prince.
His word mix masterpeice,
isnt new to the streets.
Instead of raping like a girl,
which makes me want to hurl,
Stop with the background noise,
Leave the rapping to the boys.
~Word
Quote from: Snider82 on December 15, 2009, 06:00:41 PM
The rap that comes from vince,
reminds me of fresh prince.
His word mix masterpeice,
isnt new to the streets.
Instead of raping like a girl,
which makes me want to hurl,
Stop with the background noise,
Leave the rapping to the boys.
~Word
oh snap!!!! ;)
this thread is toast... lol... I cannot see any new member, ever, saying "hey, just read your thread from beginning to end.. nice build..."
LOL... Originality points are thru the roof on this one... and I like it...
This one is for all you haters, perpetrators and imitators. You know who you are... Oh and to Hookup for his phat build thread!
I'm Hookup's 180 gallon project and your his missing hole,
I'm the Great Barrier Reef and your just a betta bowl.
Vince, Salvini and Snider, your stylez are from back in tha day.
Mikerobart's nowhere to be found, my rhymes chased him away.
Like Tyler's macro algae tank, you need to be broken down,
Like my Blue Spot Jawfish, your place is on the ground.
Accepting your second rate, you can't do becuz of your pride,
Now watch me ride off into the sunset with Holachicka at my side.
Old man tucket was a fine old man,
he washed his face with a frying pan,
He combed his hair with a peice of glass,
Died with a toothpick, in his ... leg
-1962 Grandpa
BTW sorry for the hijacking, ill quit now.
well i've read this thread a few times and it seems like some one made a mistake on the tank, but did you not have the final say on how many holes to drill usually I give the last command on my custom tanks and make sure it is done one hundred percent to my specifications to insure nothing like this happens, sounds like some one really dropped the ball and should be held fully responsible for this mabye not the company's fault completely .But this is omo so good luck and lets not be to high school on the company after all we are only human ...
Quote from: FEATHERGIRL on December 16, 2009, 08:13:34 AM
well i've read this thread a few times....
Credit for that... wow...
Quote
and it seems like some one made a mistake on the tank, but did you not have the final say on how many holes to drill usually I give the last command on my custom tanks and make sure it is done one hundred percent to my specifications to insure nothing like this happens, sounds like some one really dropped the ball and should be held fully responsible for this mabye not the company's fault completely .But this is omo so good luck and lets not be to high school on the company after all we are only human ...
No doubt, however no amount of crying and finger-pointing will make a hole appear... ;)
Both the LFS (Ottawa Inverts) and the Builder (Miracles) worked with me to come up with several options. Some better than others, but there was a lot of work done to rectify the situation. In the end, I'm sticking with the 12-hole version and modifying the flow-plan to adapt. I'm having a custom stainless-steel rim made for the tank to hide the ugly-eurobracing, and cover up the water-line for a cleaner look.
I've got a task-list and a parts-list created. The priority at this point is to build the silent overflows and test them out. I've got to find a place to get 4" to 1.5" cone-shaped reducers then get the dremil tool out and have some fun...
I was at Home Depot last night nd they have 4"-1 1/2" cups.
Quote from: jon1985 on December 16, 2009, 01:46:21 PM
I was at Home Depot last night nd they have 4"-1 1/2" cups.
You Sir, are a
Steely-Eyed-Missle-Man... THANK YOU!
Quote from: Hookup on December 16, 2009, 12:52:03 PM
I've got to find a place to get 4" to 1.5" cone-shaped reducers then get the dremil tool out and have some fun...
You are not going to cut teeth in them are you?
not at all... surface skimming is better at the surface... ;)
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Here's a drain option for you.
light blue would be your siphon, dark blue open channel and red for safety.
Thats a pretty cool fitting...
Light-Blue is 1.5 schedule 40 diamater equlivlant I assume?
Personally, I'd get rid of the Red "Safty" version, and have two of those in the tank... with two of them, essentially thats 4 drain-lines... Two siphons and 2 open lines... pretty darn safe at that point...
Do you have a prototype working?
I like the overflow, cool design.
Quote from: Hookup on December 17, 2009, 10:42:48 AM
Thats a pretty cool fitting...
Light-Blue is 1.5 schedule 40 diamater equlivlant I assume?
Personally, I'd get rid of the Red "Safty" version, and have two of those in the tank... with two of them, essentially thats 4 drain-lines... Two siphons and 2 open lines... pretty darn safe at that point...
Do you have a prototype working?
if you go to just two bulkheads then you can have siphon, open channel and safety and use the last as a return... there I just found the missing hole:)
bwhaha that is funny
Quote from: Contains Moose on December 17, 2009, 12:23:44 PM
if you go to just two bulkheads then you can have siphon, open channel and safety and use the last as a return... there I just found the missing hole:)
I have two primary concerns with that design.
1) Flow... what volume can the siphon chamber provide given the space? Not that Im personally looking for 1000gph.
2) Cloging... the space is vastly restricted given it's Tripple-Purpose... Things that will not clog a 1.5" pipe will pose possible issue in the restricted space... if one overflow shuts-down, then the other must handle the entire flow.. (see concern #1).
It feels like too much is going on in such a small space... use a pipe bigger than 1.5" and you are onto something that's pretty cool IMO... A Herbie-Style all-in one overflow system... I've never seen anything like this before...
Quote from: Hookup on December 17, 2009, 01:20:56 PM
I have two primary concerns with that design.
1) Flow... what volume can the siphon chamber provide given the space? Not that Im personally looking for 1000gph.
2) Cloging... the space is vastly restricted given it's Tripple-Purpose... Things that will not clog a 1.5" pipe will pose possible issue in the restricted space... if one overflow shuts-down, then the other must handle the entire flow.. (see concern #1).
It feels like too much is going on in such a small space... use a pipe bigger than 1.5" and you are onto something that's pretty cool IMO... A Herbie-Style all-in one overflow system... I've never seen anything like this before...
It does look like a lot is going on but that is just a concept, I hope to have some serious flow number once I get the test tank built, it wasn't a recommendation just a simple option to make you think...
Hehe.. .I like to think... It is a good design for sure...
Quote from: Contains Moose on December 17, 2009, 12:23:44 PM
... there I just found the missing hole:) ...
No photo of the missing hole, but but I guess a diagram is better than the photo I couldn't take. ;-)
I like. From work with heat exchangers I know that the round within round is surprisingly low drag.
If the horizontal intake/outtakes are offset from center (for each flow: offset to left at one end, other end offset to right), then the flow swirls around the inner pipe, taking a smooth continuous path and has even less total drag (intake to tube drag is greatly reduced, flow drag somewhat increased: net reduction). Sidesteps the fact that the flow is making a 90 degree turn.
Don't get the distance between any two surfaces too small or there's no room for a boundary-layer of water against the surfaces of the pipe and flow drag is greatly increased. If you're just taking the one bulkhead and make it into a straight pipe and one outer pipe, then you should have plenty. Careful on spacing if you go for the three channels.
For implementing it with standard fittings (not optimal for drag), the outer pipe can feed a T and can then be reduced to the next inner pipe by a cone. With vertical placement like this watch that debris doesn't build up in the cone as it is below the flow taken off by the T fitting. (surprised I don't have a photo of this!)
Ok - after 2 days of reading this thread, while at work, I am finally caught up....Holy Crapola, you must of been pissed with the issues. Some of you folk are extremely funny and I have to say, this has been the most interesting thread I've had the pleasure of reading :) Amazing design and I cannot wait to see it once it is all done! Keep up the post - I do believe you have a following :)
Quote from: Hookup on December 17, 2009, 10:42:48 AM
.. Two siphons and 2 open lines... pretty darn safe at that point...
Depends. Would both compound drains feed the sump?
Also, the (red) fail-safe open line makes lots of noise if it kicks in, alerting you to a problem.
Quote from: Canoe on December 18, 2009, 01:30:41 PM
Depends. Would both compound drains feed the sump?
Also, the (red) fail-safe open line makes lots of noise if it kicks in, alerting you to a problem.
If the gravity drain is engineered correctly then it will make noise as it will have more than enough area to handle a siphon, it will be an alert noise.
Quote from: Contains Moose on December 18, 2009, 05:45:28 PM
If the gravity drain is engineered correctly then it will make noise as it will have more than enough area to handle a siphon, it will be an alert noise.
Not sure what you mean as drains work by gravity.
With the three channels available through the single bulkhead, I'm thinking that it can handle Bean-Animal's design as per http://beananimal.com/projects/silent-and-fail-safe-aquarium-overflow-system.aspx (tons of feedback on implementations on Reef Central)
The siphon handles most of the normal drain flow, with the open-line handling a trickle, and hence near silent operation. If the siphon blocks, the open-line gets more flow, and makes noticeably more noise. If the siphon and open-line both block, the fail-safe open-line gets the flow - it is very noisy.
Quote from: Canoe on December 18, 2009, 08:50:28 PM
Not sure what you mean as drains work by gravity.
With the three channels available through the single bulkhead, I'm thinking that it can handle Bean-Animal's design as per http://beananimal.com/projects/silent-and-fail-safe-aquarium-overflow-system.aspx (tons of feedback on implementations on Reef Central)
The siphon handles most of the normal drain flow, with the open-line handling a trickle, and hence near silent operation. If the siphon blocks, the open-line gets more flow, and makes noticeably more noise. If the siphon and open-line both block, the fail-safe open-line gets the flow - it is very noisy.
Drains that are not large enough make noise because they move from being a gravity feed to a siphon as the level rises, when the siphon kicks in the drain speeds up and drains the water quicker than the supply then sucks air, that is where the noise comes from.
I think drains only work one of two ways.
1) overflowing into a "drain"... water in the tank gets to a level where it over-flows and falls out of the tank...
2) siphon...
Both are 100% gravity based... If not, show me one of those two working in zero-gravity environment...
Are you saying they drain at the same speed?
No he's not saying they drain at the same speed.
You're introducing something new (drain speed) to your argument after he's more explicitly pointed out what I was politely trying to do, that all drains work by gravity. "Gravity Drain" is a redundant term with a redundant "gravity" providing no meaning. Siphon drain, or more commonly just plain Siphon, means something. Open Drain means something. They both work by gravity. As do all drains, as pointed out by Hookup.
We know where the noise comes from, the reference I'm making is how Bean-Animal has incorporated the resulting properties of various drain types into a functional and highly reliable drain strategy. The three channel tube-in-shell-in-shell diagram is interesting as it allows implementing Bean-Animal's design/strategy through a single bulkhead - great for retro-fit and potentially lower cost for new. Size vs. flow-rate vs. susceptibility to blockages will have to be determined. Reliability of such an implementation will be determined over time. Its fairly easy to implement a tube-in-shell-in-shell, but with careful engineering of custom end piece fittings, a very high flow rate should be possible, that also avoids excessive flow noise.
For Hookup, a tube-in-shell gives him two channels through a single bulkhead, thereby replacing the functionally of the missing hole, at very low cost and with care in fitting choice, surprisingly low drag.
If you'd bothered to go read the link provided you wouldn't be floundering around on tangents explaining how "noise" is made, etc., you'd understand the terminology and that the referred engineering even uses the open-drain in both a silent and noisy mode, transitioning from one to the other if the siphon (the primary drain) gets blocked.
As Bean-Animal's explanation says it all, and very well, and there's a very large thread on Reef Central covering various implementations, I'm not going to try to explain it all here. Read the link.
So as to be clear, you are suggesting that Tims response was replying to my terminology tongue in cheek and not makeing a comment ?
I will try to use the term open channel and siphon and safety from now on.
As to the comment "read the thread on RC" I am well aware of the thread, more aware than you could ever imagine.
anyhow.... ;)
The two-in-one idea is cool and I'd love to see it in action.
the drains are connected to the bulkhead, the bulkheads connected to the fish tank, the fish tanks connected to my wallet and thats why im broke.
Quote from: salvini55 on December 19, 2009, 12:22:27 PM
the drains are connected to the bulkhead, the bulkheads connected to the fish tank, the fish tanks connected to my wallet and thats why im broke.
LOL Amen.
If you decide to build one use SDR 26 pipe for best results, let me know if you need help locating it.
Ok ive been very nice regarding the lack of pics and the "whats up with the tank" factor, I think its time for a little motivation a-la Barry White...
a one, a two, a one, two, three, four
Oh Tim I, can't get enough of your thread babe
Tim, I don't know, I don't know why
Can't get enough of your thread babe
Oh, some things i can't get used to
No matter how I try
Just like the more you give, the more I want
And Tim, that's no lie
Oh no, Tim
Tell me, what can I say?
What am I gonna do?
How should I feel when everything is you?
What kind of picless thread is this that you're givin' me?
is it in your kiss or just because your sweet?
PS - Since everything has to be sexy for Tim I highly suggest going to youtube and putting the track on while you read Tims thread. Its a Blast
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I have an 8foot by 5 foot hole in the wall. I have photos on the camera I have to get onto the puter and uploaded. I'll be working on the stand as well. By the end of the month, or first day or two into Jan, I will be done the wood-building parts and installing the tank.
Photos incomming today.
oh good ol kevin, please never Right, unless u must, ..
ill go south-paw w/ a Left, now taste the dust!
But seriously...
Vin' Give u a face lift, cuz ur a disgrace kid, think ur 'Glad?' ur garbage, just wasted, U may SMELL defeat, but i can TASTE IT!
Boombap
I bet defeat tastes like Seabellys, bitter...
TIME FOR SOME UPDATES!
A HOLE WAS BORN!
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FIRST JOB, MOVE THOSE SWITCHES
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SWITCHES ALL MOVED, EVERYTHING WORKS
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NOW OPEN THAT HOLE UP!
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AND CLEAN UP THE MESS! (LOL)
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BUILD OUT THAT STAND (FRAME)
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Tomorrows project will be to work on skinn'ing the tank-stand. I believe I have the parts I need but home Depot is open so I should be good either way.
The tank should be moved onto the stand next week/weekend and I will start the plumbing "trees" that will get covered in DIY cement right after.
Thanks for reading!
I love when ppl kick down walls for fish! There is no turning back now man! A little bit of pee hit my pants when Id seen that you updated.
^^lmfao at pee hit my leg.
though..
that bottom cut looks crookeder than a hind leg of a dog.
u must have a french measuring tape :D
YEY pics!! yes Vince, thats the first thing i noticed too lol. also the switches look off too ;) this is going to look AW SOME!!!!!! I'm so envious. cant wait to see more progress here. Thanks for the updates!
Yes the DRYWALL cuts are off... [...] ... That part will be sexyfied later on... much later on cause the current system is in the way.
The switches are NOT off.. (Ok they are.. i need a new 3rd box cause the one that I had was bust-a-ma-fied by the builders and jammered-squished into the wall)
I believe that it is against code to have the low-voltage switch for the fire-place in the same box as the light-switches... can anyone confirm?
edit: removed abusive language
Quote from: Hookup on January 02, 2010, 09:23:19 PM
I believe that it is against code to have the low-voltage switch for the fire-place in the same box as the light-switches... can anyone confirm?
I wouldn't worry about it, maximum fine is $25 and 2 weeks of community service.
I'm telling then!
tim dont listen to those damn fools...i doubt vince could even cut a straight peice of wood lol. It looks good but poor sandy having to slave clean up your damn mess....good times though lol.
gonna be so dope when its done
That's wicked! Barry White and the homeless population would approve.
im just kidding tim. you should really have your f/p switch seperate, its not against the gas code, but im sure its against electrical code. - im not sure what you have for your fireplace, but i normaly see a thermostat controling the f/p- if this is the case, most cases the t-stat is too big to be in a 3-gang box.
Fireplace must be on a dedicated circuit.
No thermistat, we manually control it, though we are in need of someone to help us figure out what kind of fan we need, and install it, or tell me roughly what's involved so I can install it...
I've no idea if the FP is on its own circut, but given it's a builders install, and it would have had to be inspected, there's at least a 30% chance it was done right... LOL...
My father was over and mentioned that the low-voltage circuit should not be in the same box as the 120v circuits... he's a retired electrician, but for industrial codes, not home building... so I wanted to confirm... I do not actually plan on changing it, I just want to know what lines I'm crossing.. ;)
More photos to follow tonight... I've completed the stand, painted & trimmed... having dinner now.. photos soon.
hope ur stand is level :D and your a better with a brush than a sawzzall. as for the electrical, i think its the same as commercial. normally fireplace, washer/dryer, dishwater .. and so on.. have their own circuit.
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Well there's the photos... but here's the bad-news.... The tank stand is about 1" too "deep". Given the dining room is already pressed for space, I'm going to take the tank apart and shave that inch back... I know it's a butt-load of work for only 1", but in my world 1" is a huge amount... (Figured I'd pre-empt that slam)..
However, you can really see how the tank-stand is going to look when it's finished.. cause well it's going to look just like that but an inch "thinner".
I'm assuming that you meant taking the stand apart, not the tank.... You had me scared for a sec... After all this time, I was worried we'd never get to see pics of that missing hole. :)
Yo tim that stand is ballin'.
Quote from: Hookup on January 03, 2010, 06:26:41 PM
I know it's a butt-load of work for only 1", but in my world 1" is a huge amount... (Figured I'd pre-empt that slam)..
and yes one inch to any man is alot.....unless you're me lol
ya that stand fits that room so well now my god!
as for the one inch thing...thats not as bad as a guy on rc who did a plywood tank (1000g-10')and built the base and then started to frame the sides etc and realized it was 4 inches to tall. He had to jack certain parts of the 10' stand that was already built into the room and shave 4" off...and the stand was ridiculous weighed like 500-600lbs...so you're not that bad..
That would suck.. I figure 3 hours and I'll have it all back together they way it should be... I will probably wait until I have the tank in my living room and get an EXACT dimension... just make it neat-and-tidy like...
I've got to work on the overflow/return line system prototyped up and working... um... find a way to mount the lights, that I'ma going to like... possibly including automated up-down re-tractor-ness of awesome....
That'd be my goal... but no rush.. the DIY rock is a 3-4 week process, so I got loads of time now... just getting the tank onto the stand and the plumbing trees complete... that will be 100% win.
looks nice tim. cant wait to see it stained. bummer u have to rip it for 1'', but it'll be worth it.
Nice progress! Good luck with the stand modifications!
Bruce
Looking good. Still waiting to a see a pic of the tank itself :D
Quote from: Cheebs on January 05, 2010, 07:13:26 PM
Looking good. Still waiting to a see a pic of the tank itself :D
I don't think there us a tank, it is going to be a hologram complete with a missing hole.
Quote from: Contains Moose on January 05, 2010, 07:22:03 PM
I don't think there us a tank, it is going to be a hologram complete with a missing hole.
^ knee slapper
Ahaha nice, maybe it's all a myth ;) Hook us up Hookup :D
This thing's going to be glorious, I'm very interested because I'm looking into setting up a 180 within the next year.
Thanks everyone... More work will happen soon... I need to get the tank from storage and get'r into the stand. I also need to do several other things...
I almost wiped my frigg'n system yesterday, so i'm recovering from that boneheaded move... Let's say, if you're going to use your skimmer as a water-change, do not forget about it for 24hours and run everything dry... then completely over-dose baling salts into your sump as an isolated system, and just fire things up... I've been re-introducing my sump to my tank for the past 36hours trying to get the two-water bodies re-ballanced... oh, and of course, I flooded the basement in the process...
You put your left foot in, you take your left foot out... frigg'n HOKEY POKEY around here... ;)
Tim,
I feel for ya.
I once did the skimmer - WC routine and forgot about it. BCW (beautiful & charming wife) came to me and said "honey, why is the floor so wet?"
I hate those "oh sh!t" moments
skimmer waterchange... sounds like a good idea.
I dont think ive gotten out of bed faster than when i heard "Kev... ... The floor is soaked..." and I remembered the RO was running, all night. At least it was just the RO 8)
Yeah it's back under control.. finally... first thing i did was check for overflowing anything... didn't find any... then panic really set it... something was broken... oh xxxx... so I tasted the floor water.. yeah i know.. but I couldn't think what else to do to determine if it was RO/DI problem or the tank... so once i confirmed it was salt-water on the floor, then i knew to troubleshoot the sump...
turned out that the sump ran dry, the returnpump then ran for a few hours dry... which vibrated the connection loose... so as soon as I shut down the return pump, the loos connection was the leak... an easy fixup... but for a second i was freaking.
Nothing else has happened so far... probably work some tonight.
Nice work so far!
And your wife loves you...a lot. ;)
Quote from: Hookup on January 06, 2010, 09:27:40 AM
... oh xxxx... so I tasted the floor water.. yeah i know.. but I couldn't think what else to do to determine if it was RO/DI problem or the tank...
I think that a many of us would have done the same :) as gross as it is!
Silent Overflows!
Well I spent some of the evening re-doing the stand to the correct size. That is done now and i'm ready for the tank. I'm hoping that i'll get people coordinated for a move as soon as tomorrow evening and have the tank on the stand at that time.
The rest of the evening I worked on the silent overflow, and it is silent! SUCCESS.
First, the parts list
4" to 2" reducer
2" to 1.5" reducer
1.5" PCV pipe - 3-4 inches
3" PVC cap
Tools
Dremel tool /w sander
Drill
Saw
Now keep in mind this is NOT the final version. The final version will be sexy and look pretty.. this was a proof of concept version, a hack-job, to ensure that it would work in principal before I started to make it pretty.
Here are the PVC parts
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The first job is to sand out the 2" to 1.5" reducer so that the 1.5" tube can fit in either end of it.
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Once that is complete, attach the 1.5" length of pipe to the reducer. As shown, you'll need some holes or cuts in this pipe. The depth of these cuts cannot be bigger than the depth of the 3" end-cap. Be wary of what can get into the holes, and what can clog the holes. IMO more is better as you'll control volume with the return pump and close one of the two drain lines with a ball-valve later so more holes will give you extra flow when a snail gets into this system.
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Insert the 2" to 1.5" reducer into the 4" to 2" reducer. Of course, if you can find a 4" to 1.5" directly then adapt (and PM me with where you got it). It should look as follows.
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Drill a small hole in the top center of the 3" cap. I started with 1/16 inch and will go up from there as I adjust. the 1/16th worked, but wasn't letting enough air in. Place (and in the end product glue) the 3" cap over the cut 1.5" pipe. This forms a durso overflow but does it in a circular pattern.
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The height of the internal 1.5" pipe was cut so that the 3" cap was about 1/8 inch below the overflow line. I did this for astetics, and btw, I do not want to glue the 1.5" pipe into the bottom of the overflow... i want to be able to take it out, throw it in the dishwasher, and put in a second one... this makes mainteance on these a frig'n joke... cost of building a second internal overflow is about $4.50... so I will have a third one built so each month I can change out one for a clean one, throw one into the dishwasher and do nothing with the other one. (sorry this is on its side)
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That's about it. Like I said, I'll clean up the final version and make it sexy-looking, all nice and tight, but this worked and I was pretty jazzed so I wanted to share right away.
Looking good Tim.
How much of a gap is there between the base of the cap and the 4" reducer? What kind of flow are you expecting through this?
Keep up the good work & keep those pictures coming.
In the current mock-up there is about a 1/4 inch of gap. I want to reduce the "tall-ness" of the overflow which means cutting down the reducer, and the 3" cap but I have to find a way to cut it down uniformly. I'm thinking I need to find/buy a big sander where I can sand-down the PVC uniformly. The other option is finding a shop to mill it down... I used to own a wood lathe which would have done the frigg'n job perfectly... oh well.
My flow should be around 500gph from the display to the sump. Remember that I have two drain-lines using the above method. One drain line will use a gate-valve to limit the flow such that it is running as a siphon handling 450gph, this will then put about 50gph through the second line which will function as a durso.
I will run some flow-tests, as best as I can, to see what kind of volume I can push through the overflows. Last night I had about 600gph working on just one of the overflows without any issues what so ever.
Sounds like a great setup. Good work!
Is the tank on the stand yet? If so, WE NEED PICTURES!
If not, LMK if you need another set of hands.
The tank has been on the stand, off the stand, on the stand, off again.. the stand ripped down to nothing, rebuilt, then the tank put back on, taken off, put back on... um... i think that's got it...
It is right back on the stand again... and I think for the "last time"... it's home...
I need to re-drywall some parts now to keep things moving... I need to change out 2 plugs for GFI's and add a 3rd for the lights. I'm waiting on some plumbing parts that I need, and because the bank owns my house I have to go to work tomorrow, which means a flight to the US for 2 days... boooooooo
I'm gunna take some photos for an update soon... just a bit tired now.
Oh, I flooded my basement again by overflowing my sump by forgetting that I was adding water to the system... THANK GOD I was adding salt-water... I got to get my head out of my a$$ before I wipe this system...
got to get my head out of my a$$
My head spends a lot of its time there as well (my a$$, not yours). In fact, its begining to call it home.
Flooded my basement tonight - forgot I was making RO water. I save the waste water in a large container (but obviously, not large enough, 'cause it overflowed)
I xxxx you not... since my last post I flooded again.. and this time WOW...
From my top tank in my sump... at about 4 feet high, there is a line that goes to ground-level... connects to my pump for my skimmer... In connecting it back up, the spa-flex slipped right out of the ball-valve, on the tank side... 1.5" line will empty a sump PDQ!
Some how, by the grace of god, or Neptune, an air-block was formed in that tube after about 10gallons emptied onto the floor... that gave me enough of a break to yell for my wife, who got towels, PVC glue, paper-towel, etc... and I patched that sucker back up standing in 1/4" of water...
I'm frigg'n tired of being stupid, and wet... time to smarten up!
U know, you could probably save yourself alot of hassle if that 92 wasn't there.. ;) It just seems like it's just getting in the way sooo much...
I only say this so that you can focus on bigger and better projects :D
I know i know... i'm flying to NY today... this week... fo sure... on the + the fire engine red monti has encrusted pretty good size (1"x0.5") on the walls/rocks in two places... so the new owners going to have some sexy corals..
I have several photos to take and post of the tank sitting on the stand. I'll try to get to that tonight.
I needed a place to recorde my lastest idea so here it is.
Variable flow/speed for the two closed loops controlled by the GHL Profilux controller. This requires the following parts;
1) Wet Side (Impeller & Housing) for a pump
-taken from a barracuda or hammerhead or bought from www.reeflowpumps.com for $119
2) A 3 phase pump to match the reeflo pump size you need
http://www.baldor.com/products/detail.asp?1=1&catalog=JM2450&product=AC+Motors&family=Pump%7Cvw%5FACMotors%5FPump
3) A Variable Freq. Device - VFD
http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.193/.f
Cost total around $500 USD without looking for used items and a few hours of wiring around... the VFD has an input for 0-10v so the profilux can control it.
I have 2 CL's in the system so that would create some pretty wicked flow patterns similar to the Echotech/Tunze controled in-tank pumps.
Still waiting for epic tank photos + missing hole
Quote from: Hookup on January 14, 2010, 01:13:39 PM
I have several photos to take and post of the tank sitting on the stand. I'll try to get to that tonight.
I needed a place to recorde my lastest idea so here it is.
Variable flow/speed for the two closed loops controlled by the GHL Profilux controller. This requires the following parts;
1) Wet Side (Impeller & Housing) for a pump
-taken from a barracuda or hammerhead or bought from www.reeflowpumps.com for $119
2) A 3 phase pump to match the reeflo pump size you need
http://www.baldor.com/products/detail.asp?1=1&catalog=JM2450&product=AC+Motors&family=Pump%7Cvw%5FACMotors%5FPump
3) A Variable Freq. Device - VFD
http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.193/.f
Cost total around $500 USD without looking for used items and a few hours of wiring around... the VFD has an input for 0-10v so the profilux can control it.
I have 2 CL's in the system so that would create some pretty wicked flow patterns similar to the Echotech/Tunze controled in-tank pumps.
If you are going to do this properly you should get a couple of Iwaki mag drive wet ends that are already engineered to fit 3 phase frames, trying to retrofit Hammerhead or Cuda pumps and seals is going to be problematic.
I'm making progress despite the lack of photos... Sorry.. been lazy on that front. I've got some chaning ideas fo the rock-work but I'm not saying anything at this point...
On the Closed Loop Front, I'm ordering the following on monday
2x Hammerhead Housing from REEFLO
2x JM2450 Baldor Pumps (http://www.baldor.com/products/detail.asp?1=1&catalog=JM2450&product=AC+Motors&family=Pump%7Cvw_ACMotors_Pump)
2x TECO FM50 AC Drive, 0.5 HP (http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.192/.f)
The goal:
Have 2 closed loops, independently controlled via my GHL controller using the 0-10v outputs (2 of them on my GHL). Each 3phase pump + VFD will have 10 different RPM's (flows) operating independatly of each other.
I need to find a method to "push-button" have the CL pumps go into "feeding mode" i.e. low RPM's. It's very possible that I can wire up a box/switch that will connect to the VFD's and over-ride the 0-10v input from the GHL. Also, if/when ghl comes out with the v3 version of the view-screen, they are supposed to have options to allow me to use the touch-screen that might allow me to send a singal back to the GHL for just this purpose... including a mode for "photography" where I can shut the pumps right down to 0 flow.
I figure about a week for that stuff to come in, and about 24hours for me to wire it up... I also have some fancy-smacy plumbing parts coming in for the closed-loop systems under the tank that I need, which will be here in a week or two.
I have to say, today I woke up with that.. wooo hooo kind of feeling.... the end is getting closer and closer... I think I've even figured out my raising and lowering light problem.. ;)
Nice, I hope you ordered a robot servant to raise and lower the light.
Quote from: Hookup on January 24, 2010, 11:50:35 AM
I'm making progress despite the lack of photos... Sorry.. been lazy on that front. I've got some chaning ideas fo the rock-work but I'm not saying anything at this point...
On the Closed Loop Front, I'm ordering the following on monday
2x Hammerhead Housing from REEFLO
2x JM2450 Baldor Pumps (http://www.baldor.com/products/detail.asp?1=1&catalog=JM2450&product=AC+Motors&family=Pump%7Cvw_ACMotors_Pump)
2x TECO FM50 AC Drive, 0.5 HP (http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.192/.f)
The goal:
Have 2 closed loops, independently controlled via my GHL controller using the 0-10v outputs (2 of them on my GHL). Each 3phase pump + VFD will have 10 different RPM's (flows) operating independatly of each other.
I need to find a method to "push-button" have the CL pumps go into "feeding mode" i.e. low RPM's. It's very possible that I can wire up a box/switch that will connect to the VFD's and over-ride the 0-10v input from the GHL. Also, if/when ghl comes out with the v3 version of the view-screen, they are supposed to have options to allow me to use the touch-screen that might allow me to send a singal back to the GHL for just this purpose... including a mode for "photography" where I can shut the pumps right down to 0 flow.
I figure about a week for that stuff to come in, and about 24hours for me to wire it up... I also have some fancy-smacy plumbing parts coming in for the closed-loop systems under the tank that I need, which will be here in a week or two.
I have to say, today I woke up with that.. wooo hooo kind of feeling.... the end is getting closer and closer... I think I've even figured out my raising and lowering light problem.. ;)
So how do you plan on controlling this to your tanks benefit?
The GHL is fully programmable. Though it cannot accept input/feedback like a PLC i'm positive it will do the job just fine. I can have dozens of programs for variable flow and every day of the week, heck, even every hour or so, have the GHL switch programs for each pump. With very little programming on a PC, i'm positive I can get a random generator involved as well. Sky is the limit at this point.
You may want to run the pumps through a zero to full cycle to see how they sound, they have a nasty habit of being noisy at certain inputs and we all know how you like things quiet.
Quote from: Contains Moose on January 25, 2010, 12:03:09 AM
and we all know how you like things quiet.
Ithought if it was sexy that was good enough?
Quote from: Contains Moose on January 25, 2010, 12:03:09 AM
You may want to run the pumps through a zero to full cycle to see how they sound, they have a nasty habit of being noisy at certain inputs and we all know how you like things quiet.
Yes, i've heard that reported several times and there are fixes for that as well.. having the VFD allows tuning of the rpm's to eliminate those issues. Again, this is a theory until I've put it in practice.
Can't wait to see this tank set up. That light is going to be a sexy rig. Another thing I noticed, White leather furniture and kids! lol Kudos.
Quote from: QueensU on January 25, 2010, 11:12:56 AM
Another thing I noticed, White leather furniture and kids! lol Kudos.
No kidding... ages 4, 8, 9 and 10...
The dining room chairs are NOT leather... they are vinil for eazy mode cleaning... and cheap at $100/chair... the Leather has the 5year I bet you cannot damage it stain guard on it from leons... so far there have been 0 issues... ;)
Update Time! Did you shoehorn your tank into that giant hole in the wall yet?
I did... and last night I started the rock-scaping / pipe covering... I've not worked out a goodest way of doing it yet... and got frustrated after breaking several bits from the dremil tool... I need to find a better method tonight.
I have some photos to post and will make every effort to do so this evening.
are u rock scaping big pieces? Bite the bullet and grab a diamond blade for a grinder and get all the big cuts done. Because the blades from dremil are cheap, unless u find the diamond one.
Quote from: Vince. on January 28, 2010, 11:29:01 AM
are u rock scaping big pieces? Bite the bullet and grab a diamond blade for a grinder and get all the big cuts done. Because the blades from dremil are cheap, unless u find the diamond one.
I didn't want to break-out the grinder...but I'm pretty sure I've got not choice now... gluing a dozen tiny rocks onto pipe is taking forever... and costs a frigg'n fortune in epoxy... I need to improve the method significantly...
The challange is not hiding the plumbing, or gluing the rocks.. it's keeping the end product as small as possible... I can take two or three big pieces and cover up a pipe... but it takes up SOOOOOooooo much room... so I take 10 rocks the size of your hand or much smaller, and glue them into a puzzle around the pipe... but that takes soooooooooooooooo long and all that epxoy costs..... a tone...
I'ma going to work on using the grinder method to shape some rocks so I can use bigger pieces that do not take up any/much space. And try to use more zip-ties to start the rock-covering process.
Play time this evening.. i want's to get home.
can you not use conrete/DIY rock and let it cure? making different shapes etc.can the pipe work be remove and then covered in foam/rock pieces/sand?
what about using crazy clue gel....and sand / aragonate / shells to blend the pipe in .. Can u bridge from one pipe to another? By like carving a small piece of foam and wedging it between the 2 pipes? I haave some ideas but its hard to explane.. Plus i need to physically see the plumbing
Quote from: veron on January 28, 2010, 11:59:48 AM
can you not use conrete/DIY rock and let it cure? making different shapes etc.can the pipe work be remove and then covered in foam/rock pieces/sand?
that was the plan... but i changed it... not a big fan of the look, nor was I a fan of the curing time required.. .and in the end, rock is about the only thing that looks like rock...
Quote from: Vince. on January 28, 2010, 12:10:52 PM
what about using crazy clue gel....and sand / aragonate / shells to blend the pipe in .. Can u bridge from one pipe to another? By like carving a small piece of foam and wedging it between the 2 pipes? I haave some ideas but its hard to explane.. Plus i need to physically see the plumbing
The glue idea is pretty much what i'm doing... the issue is the shapes of the rock... 1" pipe is what is being covered (CL outputs, etc)... and if you take a rock with a 3" diamater, not a big rock, you get 3 inches sticking off the side of the pipe... that's taking up WAY too much space... Breakign the rock down means more gluing... that's not fun...
The plan is to use a grinder and drill to carve the rocks into the shapes that fit snugly (a relative term) around 90degrees or more of the pipe and at the same time, knock off any bulk to keep the profile trim...
I forsee a boat-load of smashed up rock in my future, including many uses of the f'word... hid your kids if they are in barrhaven...
Any thought of following your fake wall construction and using zip-ties & foam to attach the rock to the pipes? You'd still have to break up the rocks, but the epoxy work would go way down. Seems to me that I saw a thread on RC with someone doing this.
Quote from: Rybren on January 28, 2010, 04:13:32 PM
Any thought of following your fake wall construction and using zip-ties & foam to attach the rock to the pipes? You'd still have to break up the rocks, but the epoxy work would go way down. Seems to me that I saw a thread on RC with someone doing this.
Not a bad idea right there... this guy must be a fly-fisher... them's the smart ones.
Too bad you couldnt just drill a 1 1/4" hole in a bunch of rocks and slide them down over the pipe. Then you would have like a rock tower covering the pipe. May not be possible tho.
;D
I'm down to only a few options left... none are looking good...
1) use the great-stuff foam as a way to stick rocks around a pipe. Possible, but i dont want to have too much foam showing...
2) find a drill at 1.25 - 1.5" and core the rock - I used some drill bits (cement) at home and the rock I have is HARD... frigg'n dense... I'm not sure how well this would work... also, I tried using my grinder and a stone-cutting disk... yeah... well that works, kinda... brittle and dense go together... so i'm thinking coring the material will not work.
3) keep smashing the rock down, using more zip-ties and less expoy - this has been the best success so far... It's goawd owwful slooow.. but it works... and i'm getting the result I want... just it's sooooooo sllooooooowwww...
At this point im going to work on things a bit more tonight... call it quits...
I have some photos to post and will make every effort to do so this evening.
Well??????
too bad :( what kind of rock are you using? i'v drilled concreate, dead rock... laughing plaster.... with dimand blades... it went smoothly. i wish i could think of something that would help, but im just a dumb tin banger.
I thought I heard some f-words being shouted out of Barrhaven.... :o
It seems like covering the pipework is going slowly from what you are saying. But isn't everything supposed to go slow in this hobby? :D I always hear everyone giving newbies advice about taking things slow when getting into the hobby. Keep at er and you'll acheive the look you want. Can't wait to see the progress.
Too bad the coring wont work out, that would look cool. Some live rock is really porous, almost like sand stone. Too bad you have the bullet-proof variety!
Some sculptured rocks are done with an industrial sand blaster and very coarse media. Would that work?
Not sure the cost of renting such a thing... might be worth it if it worked to avoid the frustration.
Bruce
Quote from: bitterman on January 29, 2010, 12:55:46 PM
Some sculptured rocks are done with an industrial sand blaster and very coarse media. Would that work?
Not sure the cost of renting such a thing... might be worth it if it worked to avoid the frustration.
Bruce
That has a bonus factor of being about as cool of a toy as I can imagine... I'm pretty sure that would work too...
You could have used it to cut the hole in the wall too.. lol
Quote from: QueensU on January 29, 2010, 01:59:39 PM
You could have used it to cut the hole in the wall too.. lol
yep and I bet I could have signed the divorce papers with too, had I done it. ;)
You'll see me on the forums... have over-powered sand-blaster, will work for food, frags or salt...
Haha,
Where are the pics? I wanna see this thing in the wall.
lol at least u got ur priorities straight! how about those pic now
Picture day!
Here's the tank, on the stand (version 2 of the stand) the day it came in from the cold.
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Here's the tank stand, version 3.0 (haha.. yeah i know.. )
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Template for the top of the stand to match the holes in the tank.
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Obligatory kids in the tank shots... ;)
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Plumbing parts. This is about 25% of the plumbing, the other parts are coming in.
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Rocks, a sampling of what Marco Rock looks like. Its pretty dense, but I really like the look.
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Some of the plumbing and rock work in-tank.
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Today's goal, and tomorrows, and so on, and so on, is to cover more pipes with rock... then add rocks where i need to finish the scaping...
nice tim... tobad they did not sell LR in 'bits-n-bites' bags.
lol... believe me, by the time i'm done it's about that size... Each of those two pipes is covered in no less than 10 pieces of rock, not including the bits and rubble that I stuck into the expoy as it cured... And those are the two smallest pipes... I'ma going to work on covering a bigger rock today and see what happens.
though, i see where ur going with the design, and it'll look awesome. it'll be completely covered/hidden..and with the aquascaping ... i give it, 2 boombaps and a hellyeah.
boombap.
boombap.
hellyeah.
Looking good Tim!
I second the two boombaps and the hell yeah. nice progress, things are really starting to pick up. Did you concider using silicon instead of putty for the rocks? prolly by cheaper and less time consuming
silicone would take so much longer to cure than the epoxy that stuff stays where you put it silicone would drip and look extra messy...
tank looks good though tim keep it up!
Yeah, i'm looking at Ryben's suggestion about going back to the great-stuff foam. I could cover the pipes and then stick loads of rock-rubble around it... there are some areas where this method would create a more "trim" effect... It's either using 1-2" size pieces and epoxy or bigger pieces and then you get radial-bulk... It's a trading game for the most part.
So far I have 90% of one tower complete, and my goal is to work work on another area before finishing it up... cause at this point, i'm down to using very small peices of rock just to patch the pipes up... I've already got plans for where what corals will grow....
One thing that is impossibly hard... The tank is only 25.25" deep (external dimension)... In a 3 side viewable system, you can move the rock work back to the glass, or just off the back piece of glass thus opening up the "front" of the tank.... In this 4-side viewable tank, the rock work has to be very thin and basically centered... It's creating some challanges with the scaping... If I were to do it again, I'd have extended the wall in some fashion and gone with 36" deep... It would have made for a MAJOR reno to the house, moving a wall back 12" into a sunken room has so many issues associated with it, but the end-result would have been 100x easier to scape, and well, 36" wide tanks are boss...
Just an FYI for anyone thinking of doing a 4-side viewable project... this is the only "challange" i've run into so far.
have you found a solution to lifting the lights?
I LOVE the pics of the kids in there...Very cute! And I agree with Vince - that tank is poopin' bro - hells yeah!
Quote from: salvini55 on February 01, 2010, 12:55:27 AM
have you found a solution to lifting the lights?
Yes, i'm going to control the budget and lift them manually on their built-in sliders. Next year or some time later I can install an auto-lift system easily enough.
safe call. I bet you ran out of wood rebuilding your stand, theres none left for a dog house?
LOL ;D
Quote from: salvini55 on February 01, 2010, 12:00:43 PM
safe call. I bet you ran out of wood rebuilding your stand, theres none left for a dog house?
u dont need wood for a dog house :D couple blankets n some shrubs.
I could imagine Hookup's dog house.. LED lights, memory foam bed w/ duvet, mini hot tub, radiant floor heating, ;-)
hows the rockwork comin along, any pics?
Update? Pics?
why won't you guys just leave me alone.... let me procrastinate in peace!
Um, things are coming... slowly... My new target end-date is end of April.... I know... I have 40 hours of work left on the tank itself... then I can fill it with water and move live-stock etc... then I have about 40hours of work on fixing the hole in the wall, drywall, paint etc...
I have no vacation left.... so it's evenings and weekends...
and this rock-work is killlllllling me.
so I guess thats a no to the pics :(
he's building the suspence
Quote from: Vince. on January 30, 2010, 09:55:02 AM
nice tim... tobad they did not sell LR in 'bits-n-bites' bags.
I saw some in Big Al's last weekend in Kanata. They had some small little bits for sale at I think $3.99/pound or something like that. Pieces off their Fiji $7.99/pound stuff.
Quote from: Hookup on March 04, 2010, 05:02:43 PM
why won't you guys just leave me alone.... let me procrastinate in peace!
That's funny :)
Quote from: Hookup on March 04, 2010, 05:02:43 PM
I have no vacation left.... so it's evenings and weekends...
You and me both :( sucks to have no vacation left :(
tap tap tap, hey did you mail the photos to yourself by UPS?
Name: Hookup
Last Active: March 09, 2010, 10:13:26 PM
Hmm.. Hopefully all is well! from my short time on this forum, he is usually on every day!
I bet hes hiding out in the "secret room" he built, the not so secret one with the new ATI Power Door.
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haha... i was in mexico last week. I got in at 1am, kids are all up, we are unpacking and going thru photos etc...
In the process of cleaning up memory cards for the trip i have lost several progress photos that never got posted... :(
Quote from: Hookup on March 18, 2010, 10:02:11 AM
In the process of cleaning up memory cards for the trip i have lost several progress photos that never got posted... :(
you should have just said yes to the whole UPS thing. At least we would understand then, now its just all your fault
I was bored so I decided to update Tims thread myself! enjoy
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ROFL!!!! that is too funny!
B
THAT IS AWESOME! And pretty close to the tank too... The COLORS are spectacular! ATI T5HO's cannot be beat, other than by MS Paint. ;D
I have been shamed... :-[ - and highly entertained.
Quote from: bitterman on March 22, 2010, 04:22:01 PM
ROFL!!!! that is too funny!
+1
I like that tank better than mine! Those colours are awesome.
Wicked growth in a short time and crystal clear water and no nuisance algae.
Sweeeeeet!!
JD
I thought that with all those holes that were drilled for water circulation, it wouldn't be so stangnant. I love the purple gorgonia!
Probably the most entertaining and informative thread that I've read on OVAS!! Thanks......
very impressive! i wish i could get mine to look like that! some of the fish dont look happy tho... better watch out!
Glad I could make things fun :D
Quote from: Nelson on March 22, 2010, 09:28:45 PM
Probably the most entertaining and informative thread that I've read on OVAS!! Thanks......
Ditto
LMAO ;D
Some photos.
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Working on more rock work tonight. If there's noticeable progress i'll photo and post. Time to get this build back onto some kind of schedule.
Looking good Tim.
It would, however, look much better with water, fish, and corals in it ;D
Tim I dont think youll have enough spread on a tank your size with that light fixture ;)
Quote from: salvini55 on March 25, 2010, 07:12:40 PM
Tim I dont think youll have enough spread on a tank your size with that light fixture ;)
LOL... took me a minute...
Rock work is 99% done... just patching some small spots left for tomorrow.
Closed Loop plumbing beings tomorrow... and with luck, ends tomorrow as well.
Wet-testing the tank with tap-water to follow...
If there are no other major issues, and yes there was a major PITA today, that pop up the salt should be in the new tank by next weekend.
Oh, and I flooded the basement today while dropping salinity 0.04!!! over 8 hours... I do not recomend it... if/when stuff dies i'll post..
^that rock work is gangster man. what a tedious job, imho i dont have the patience, but good on ya man, good on ya..
Agreed... I'd never do it again... ever.
The look is quite nice... but I'd go cement next time, which was the plan... oh bother.
Made huge progress this weekend. Rock work is done! YEAH!
Plumbing is 50% or more. The inputs to the CL pumps is all done. In fact, I used one CL pump to fire out water from a water test fill that I did with the garden hose. :) pretty good distance in to the backyard.
Todo:
1. Post some photos that my wife took.
2. Connect "spider" of 1" spa-flex to the CL outputs (2 or 3 hours)
3. Clean and add substrate (1 hour)
4. Make 100gallons of New Salt Water and get it into the tank with the CL on and some heaters
5. Connect Sump to new system (like 30min that will take 3 hours)
6. Transfer old-tank to new tank.
7. Drywall, Skin Stand, Paint
Quote from: Hookup on April 18, 2010, 06:54:12 PM
Agreed... I'd never do it again... ever.
The look is quite nice... but I'd go cement next time, which was the plan... oh bother.
Made huge progress this weekend. Rock work is done! YEAH!
Plumbing is 50% or more. The inputs to the CL pumps is all done. In fact, I used one CL pump to fire out water from a water test fill that I did with the garden hose. :) pretty good distance in to the backyard.
Todo:
1. Post some photos that my wife took.
2. Connect "spider" of 1" spa-flex to the CL outputs (2 or 3 hours)
3. Clean and add substrate (1 hour)
4. Make 100gallons of New Salt Water and get it into the tank with the CL on and some heaters
5. Connect Sump to new system (like 30min that will take 3 hours)
6. Transfer old-tank to new tank.
7. Drywall, Skin Stand, Paint
Perfect, so next weekend you will be done ;) hehe!
Good stuff, can't wait for pictures! :D
The plan is to be done by next weekend.... 100% done.
Got to list the current tank as final-for-sale... It'd be a shame to have the corals on the walls of the tank all die but i'm not running two systems...
I cant wait :D you better put fly fishing on hold till your done the transfer!
How is the tank coming along this week?
better put fly fishing on hold till your done the transfer
That's blasphemy!! Wash your mouth out with skimmate, young man!
Tonights goal is to get as many of the CL's connected and finished. If the stars align, and I do not see why that would start happening now, I can get them all done and be ready for a full-tank water test, including CL circulation tomorrow... which I cannot do tomorrow so it'll happen wednesday.
At that point we're good for real-salt water, which should take about 2 days, max at which time I'll cut-over the sump to start that mixing and what not while the 92 gal sits sans-sump for a few days.
I fully anticipate being out of the "old" system and into the "new" system this weekend.
Quote from: Rybren on April 19, 2010, 01:24:47 PM
better put fly fishing on hold till your done the transfer
That's blasphemy!! Wash your mouth out with skimmate, young man!
Sounds like somebodys water-proof britches are riding up! :D
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Hey, Tim has all the good flies. I need him to go fishing so I can bum some off him ;D
Ryben.. the boat is out of storage... we should fish... Fly fishing from the boat is interesting...
Or we could hit Long Island... The flow isn't too fast right now... it's wadeable.
PS: my wife got me a bit loaded on wine so not a lot of progress will be made tonight...
Quote from: Hookup on April 19, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
PS: my wife got me a bit loaded on wine so not a lot of progress will be made tonight...
When that happens at this house lots of progress will happen.
Tim,
Both ideas sound good. Now, all we need is time. That's something I seem to be in short supply of these days.
Jerry
sand is in, RO/DI is filling...
Quote from: Rybren on April 19, 2010, 10:02:53 PM
Tim,
Both ideas sound good. Now, all we need is time. That's something I seem to be in short supply of these days.
Jerry
Hehe i think time is back-ordered lately
Well, i could not bump my Classified Ad' thread cause I'm not cash-paying member, and I could not post an update (to get more exposure) for the same reason... go figure, the first time I use the classifieds ever and I hate them even more LOL....
The new price for the tank is $1000. The used 92gal bowfront, with lights and stuff... Its in the classified ad's section if your interested and I'll point out that my wife made me post it... there's $1000 in lights, $1100 in tank & stand... eeeeshh... pumps, canopy, rockwalls, corals, livesand....
Any pictures yet? :o
ya ya ! what ^ he said ;D
>:(
Pics are for losers.... ;)
(just kidding, I was quoting Hookup in case you thought I was being rude!)
Now, seriously, what the heck is up Tim - show us this tank or we may just start thinking it was a great big koax...from the "missing hole" and obvious photoshops...
Show us some pics :)
The Tank actually cracked, and now there is nothing to take pictures of. :D
I'm building suspense before the photo reveal...
This whole build is a sham! He's stealing pictures from a build of reefcentral from a guy in St Louis! The jig is up. And in that one pic with someone that looked like Pat - that was just an extra from the Lord of the Rings set.
;) :D
Quote from: Severum on May 10, 2010, 10:34:45 PM
This whole build is a sham! He's stealing pictures from a build of reefcentral from a guy in St Louis! The jig is up. And in that one pic with someone that looked like Pat - that was just an extra from the Lord of the Rings set.
;) :D
WIN!
--- LMAO. +1.
leave pat alone hes to little to defend himself
lol.....frodo..........
LOL
Gotta love Frodo - specially when he is scuba diving in his display tank!!!
Dont make me slap you again Tyler!
I gotta run though, its time for second dinner.
haha..... !!!! hahaha... best ever.
:s I had to have Severum explain to me the big joke here, "second dinner"...argh, all I want is to be cool and be "part of the in crowd" ... Is that so wrong!?
**sigh**
Cant take much more of this suspense :(
show me the picture
seriously, the RO water has been filling for ever...
I think Hookup is just being lazy...
Patrick and I will be there on Thursday - we will try to sneak our camera in :)
Quote from: alongfortheride on May 17, 2010, 05:39:48 PM
Patrick and I will be there on Thursday - we will try to sneak our camera in :)
YES YES YES - But dont tell Hookup ;)
SOOOOO?
Hi, are you goanna put this monster in your living room? I heard about the main floor can only support up to 120G+ sump in a long run...
Did you have any special support under the floor in your basement??
Your tank will be amazing I think...
Thanks..
PICTURES.... WE WANT PICTURES!!!!
UPDATE:
The tank is running. I had a problem with Nitrite/Nitrate after the move. It was quickly found and fixed, but the SPS are recovering... I did lose some pieces, and others might not recover. I'd guess 40% loss would be the final total.
The pumps are way too loud under the tank. I've asked for some ultra-low DB versions to try them out. More on that when they arrive. For now, I take a lot of asprin.
The stand itself is not framed, and the drywall is still all a mess and ripped open. I've got to get some hours dedicated to fixing this up. Though right now, with my forward-looking glasses, i'm not seeing any.
No fish losses... ok, one fish. A small cleaner goby. I had 4, I cannot find the 4th one. It never came out of the old tank... I just never found it.... i think it got itself wedged into some rock-work and got crushed/died... might be in the sump... but either way, i'm callit it a lost fish, not a dead fish (ha-ha)
The system just doesn't look WOW. This is for 3 reasons;
1) The nitrite/nitrate spike browned out all the SPS
2) the unfinished drywall/stand
3) the new-tank-syndrome
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So far so good Tim.. I understand your reluctancy to post pics.. U want to show it as the masterpiece that it will soon be... It's like cleaning the glass before visitors come, show your best.. But dion't be hard on yourself, it already looks awesome....
And just a thought... I'm no electrician but shouldn't those outlets under the tank be GFI's? I know that you probably wouldn't want a pump shutting down because of a stray drop, but a house fire is far worse. .. Trust me, i'm currently in the rebuilding process.
But anywho, good luck.. It looks sweet! (MORE PICS!!!!) ;)
Good catch! They should and will be.. well the one in-line before them will be that I am adding to run the lights.
well, its about time...freag-a-dah!
I have to say - very nice looking tank! I serioulsy cannot wait to see the finished product - keep the pics coming!
I think he just Photoshopped a bunch of pic from RC.... ;-b
Great build who cares what anyone else says or thinks! :) A lot of hard work and really shows. This will be a master piece in no time. Real centrepiece for your home. Thanks for sharing. It dwarfs my efforts and opens the Pandoras box of questions.
thats || BIG PIMPIN || man,
i give you 2x boombaps!
BOOMbap!!
boomBAP!!
Now that's what I'm talkin about!
Looking great Tim.
See, you didn't have to be so shy. We're one big happy and disfunctional family here.
We will, however, expect daily updates from now on.
Excellent job and nice work. The pics were great, especially the booty shot in the first one. :o
Quote from: holachicka on May 26, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
I have to say - very nice looking tank! I serioulsy cannot wait to see the finished product - keep the pics coming!
x2!
I especially love the coral structures you built. With the water in, they are looking even more awesome. Can only imagine what they will look like when fully populated! :D
Now that you are into the final steps on presentation, when are you planning to upgrade to a 300+ gallon tank? :D
Quote from: HomerJ on May 26, 2010, 08:02:45 PM
I think he just Photoshopped a bunch of pic from RC.... ;-b
HAHA... just caught this... gives me an idea actually.. ;)
Woah! long awaited bu tthat much better. I can now die a happy man!
Very nice! once again you impressed me. Good Job! all the hard work paying off.
looks Good Tim cheers
Status??
PICTURES??
Will do.
Quick Update:
Closed Loop setup is causing two issues. First is noise. I'm fixing that with some modified plumbing, some low DB pumps (Gold Hammerheads) and some sound-damping materials in the cabinet. Second issue is micro-bubbles are being created by one of the CL's. This, I am 99% sure is because the CL input is below the sand... semi-hidden.... when sand or snails, or crabs crawl into the CL input, they cannot get out. This is a design flaw that will be fixed, and should fix the problem.
Stand/Wall: Still in build mode. Quite sad really. I'm stuck on how to create access from the 'wall side' to the system without having it look like a canopy.... It's an function vs aesthetics problem, and like the entire rest of the build, aesthetics will win...
Fish: Doing well, still trying to get rid of some clown fish and a midas blenny
Corals: Also doing well... lost a few, the only one i'm worrid about is the 8"x8" hunk of fire-engine-red montipora that is 80% gone, and still bleached out... many others are coloring back up...
Photos to follow.
Tim,
Thanks for the update. It would be nice to get the few remaining issues ironed out. There's always something, n'est pas?
Still waiting for those pics.....
+1 to pictures.
Tomorrow is work the tank day... Photoes will be taken.. And postered...
and ???????
Blame the ex-Ottawa inverts crew... BBQ and lots of mixed drinks won the evening..
Work begins in a hour or so... Headache and all...
:-[
We did joke about taking photos at about 1am when the lights were out.... But were too discombobulated to pull it off... :-X
Excuses, excuses.....
Where are your priorities, man?
I enjoy working on my tanks but when it comes between choosing between mixed drinks and tank maintenance. Boozin' wins every time.
Carbon reactor changed... Phosphate reactor cleaned but ran out of gunk...
Water change in progres...
Then into cleaning the display... Razorblade scrape for sexy clean starphire...
Gimme a phew hrs..
Also found some stuff to sell... Forgotten corals.... Will have to post that up...
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Sorry for the crap colors on the photos... just shot in auto-mode and didn't process other than to shrink... the Hippo is NOT purple... haha....
Quote from: Hookup on August 08, 2010, 10:28:27 PM
Sorry for the crap colors on the photos... just shot in auto-mode and didn't process other than to shrink... the Hippo is NOT purple... haha....
So, that's not a new breed of purple Tang?
Looks real sweet.
Did you manage to fix the bubble problem in the CL.
Thanks for sharing.
Now that's what I'm talkin' about. Looking good Tim.
Quote from: new2salt on August 08, 2010, 11:25:06 PM
So, that's not a new breed of purple Tang?
Looks real sweet.
Did you manage to fix the bubble problem in the CL.
Thanks for sharing.
I have not fixed the bubble problem. I've got a plan, but was not able to get the parts to pull it off this weekend. The problem is *mainly* from the clogging of the input to the CL with sand and snail shells. Current, the input looks like this..
***************| |***********************************
**[sand]*******| |****[sand]*************************
***************|---------------------------------|***********************************
***************|-------| |--------|***********************************
=======================| |===============[GLASS]======================
So you can see (kind of) that there is a cup/bowl that holds the input to the CL... critters get in, and cannot climb up the sides of the bowl, and therefore restrict the flow, which starts the bubble problem...
The plan is to raise the the input to just above the level of the sand so that things can get on top of the input and crawl off without issue... Its the first thing to try.
I take it this is the CL entrance in this picture right?
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Why not take 2-3 pieces of egg crate and criss cross them and fit them inside. That way things can't make it down, but flow is not impeded.
Quote from: JetJumper on August 09, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
I take it this is the CL entrance in this picture right?
image removed
Why not take 2-3 pieces of egg crate and criss cross them and fit them inside. That way things can't make it down, but flow is not impeded.
Correct, that is one of the 2 CL inputs... the idea could work well as a short-term fix... Creative, simple, easy, fast.
I had a similar problem with my overflow because I used the same pipework as that. Snails kept getting into the overflow pipe and causing a problem. So a few pieces of egg crate later and now they can't get in :)
In an effort to build habits, including getting bugged by you folks....
Last nights test results.
Time: 9:00pm. - my clock
Temp: 81.5. - ghl temp probe
SG: 50ppt - platinum ghl sg probe
pH: 7.98 - ghl probe
Ca: 525ppm - salfert
Alk: 5. - salfert
Mg: 1350ppm - salfert
Phosphates: not tested
Nitrate: not tested
50 gallon water change completed using ATI salt
Carbon changed
That's an interesting set of numbers.
Yeah its rather poorly ballance at the moment. We got all of the balling salts refilled and adjusted so the number should come back into swing shortly. And the massive water changes that Tim will be doing will certainly help.
We also spent some time cleaning, adjusting and retuning the MR4 skimmer so that its pulling like a champ again.
Installed a Tunze Osmolator for auto top off which of course involved running new electrical lines and a much longer feed line through the ceiling as the RO bin and sump are on the opposite side of the room from eachother.
Was the SG really 50ppt or was that a typo?
Did you try walking across the water? It should almost be a solid. :o
Quote from: Rybren on August 09, 2010, 01:40:46 PM
Was the SG really 50ppt or was that a typo?
Did you try walking across the water? It should almost be a solid. :o
Salinity in ppt
F (C) 1.020 1.021 1.022 1.023 1.024 1.025 1.026 1.027
74.0 (23.3) 28.0 29.3 30.6 31.9 33.3 34.6 35.9 37.2
75.0 (23.9) 28.2 29.5 30.8 32.1 33.5 34.8 36.1 37.4
76.0 (24.4) 28.4 29.7 31.0 32.3 33.7 35.0 36.3 37.6
77.0 (25.0) 28.6 29.9 31.2 32.5 33.9 35.2 36.5 37.8
78.0 (25.6) 28.8 30.1 31.4 32.7 34.1 35.4 36.7 38.0
79.0 (26.1) 29.0 30.3 31.6 32.9 34.3 35.6 36.9 38.2
80.0 (26.7) 29.2 30.5 31.8 33.2 34.5 35.8 37.1 38.5
81.0 (27.2) 29.4 30.7 32.0 33.4 34.7 36.0 37.4 38.7
82.0 (27.8) 29.6 30.9 32.3 33.6 34.9 36.3 37.6 38.9
83.0 (28.3) 29.8 31.2 32.5 33.8 35.2 36.5 37.8 39.2
84.0 (28.9) 30.1 31.4 32.7 34.1 35.4 36.7 38.1 39.4
85.0 (29.4) 30.3 31.6 33.0 34.3 35.6 36.9 38.3 39.6
86.0 (30.0) 30.5 31.8 33.2 34.5 35.8 37.2 38.5 39.8
87.0 (30.6) 30.8 32.1 33.4 34.8 36.1 37.4 38.8 40.1
that means you are at like.. 1.035/6 for salinity.. thats pretty high :|
I his controller is measuring it in mS not ppt. So I think it should read 50mS and my tank is currently at 49.3mS so that should be around a SG of 1.026
a) yes, the params are not ideal.. there not even that good... part of the reason im posting my params when I test is to develop better habbits.
b) I mixed mS with SG.. i'm at 50ms or around 1.025/1.026 depending on methods... sorry for the confusion...
c) tonights tests are in...
Last nights test results.
Time: 7:30pm. - my clock
Temp: 81.5. - ghl temp probe
SG: ~50ms - platinum ghl sg probe
pH: 7.98 - ghl probe
Ca: 490ppm - salfert
Alk: 6.1 - salfert
Mg: 1300ppm - salfert
Phosphates: not tested
Nitrate: not tested
50 gal water change in progress - using ATI salt. Tests done before this change.
I think the change in Ca and Mg are partly b/c of the water-change last night (50g over 340g = ~14% change) 14% more tonight, and once more this week, and we should be back into an acceptable zone to start dosing again.
That's looking better already, esp the SG ;D
The Ca is quite high too. Is that an issue?
Great looking setup. The coralline is starting to cover looks good!
Here are my target params. l want to get to these and hold there. I've been at these and seen great growth.
SG: 1.025 / 33ppt / 47ms (pick your method)
pH: 8.1
Temp: 79-81 (full swing)
Ca: 400ppm
Mg: 1280ppm
Alk: 7.2dkh
Nitrate: 1-2ppm (this is a new "try it" thing for me, typically i've been 0ppm)
Phosphates: 0ppm
Two days with out water tests...
Had a mess up on the tank with some overflowing/syphoning... IT's frigg'n stupid how many times I've done this now... honestly...
Going to the cottage tomorrow for Sat/Sun so I need to water change tonight and test. Will post updates l8r when done.
Tim
Quote from: Hookup on August 13, 2010, 10:28:05 AM
Had a mess up on the tank with some overflowing/syphoning... IT's frigg'n stupid how many times I've done this now... honestly...
God I hear ya... I just did this about 2 weeks ago. Filling a bucket by a syphon and when I heard this splashing sound I wondered what is that... after a couple seconds it dawned on me! D'OH I've stood there doing a water change and only after my feet got wet did I release what happening. 10 x D'OH
Tonight's test results.
Time: 8:00pm. - my clock
Temp: 81.5. - ghl temp probe
SG: 1.022 - refractometer
pH: 8.11 - ghl probe
Ca: 470ppm - salfert
Alk: 6.2 - salfert
Mg: 1260ppm - salfert
Phosphates: not tested
Nitrate: not tested
Ok, so I created a syphon of fresh water, found my system overflowing but the salinity had only dropped 0.002, so no harm no foul, but it explains the above drop.
All others are moving in the right direction, Mg is low but I attribute this to the ATI salt (not tested raw, I will and post) and the fact that the coraline algae is going pretty good on the rocks... that stuff consumes about 4x the mg as most other corals, so until that process is done (guessing a few months) my Mg will be in high demand.
All-in-all i'm pleased... got my third batch of salt water mixing now, hope to do the water change late tonight or tomorrow morning. I figure I have 2 more to go, then it'll be time to tune in the GHL dosing again...
All is well in fish-ville... I'm going to see if I can do some macro photos of some of the corals for ya'all...and for me too.. ;)
Didn't releasize that tid bit on the coraline/mag relationship.... thanks
Tonight's test results.
Time: 8:00pm. - my clock
Temp: no tested
SG: 1.024 - refractometer
pH: not tested
Ca: 470ppm - salfert
Alk: 7.0 - salfert
Mg: 1110ppm - salfert
Phosphates: not tested
Nitrate: not tested
Oh, well... i got nothing to explain these results... I used all the ATI saltmix before testing... I'm assuming that ATI has a HIGH alk and a very LOW Mg... I really will have to test tonight after it finishes mixing..
I'm scratching my head tonight... maybe I'll run the Alk and Mg tests again... just doesn't make sense to drop that much in MG and raise that much in ALK... Does it? Maybe someone with more chem xperience / knowledge can let me know...
Keep in mind the salinity change. I'm sure it has an effect.
Tonight I discovered that my CL inputs are killing small fish... Which cause snails and crabs to get in, which kills them too..
At this point I have no solution that I like...
1. Divide the CL inputs to reduce the Pull
2. Add external power heads like vortex
3. Tear down the entire aquascape and re-do
4. Order a new tank
Option 4 is the best, but damn!
Option 3 is a good one, but not sure either my wife or I can rescape...
Option 1 and/or option 2 kind of defeats the original design of all hidden plumbing..
I'm angry and frustrated...
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Tim,
Is the input the opening on the left? Can you put an extension on it to raise it a bit and then add a strainer to keep the fish/snails out?
You could cover the extension with some loosely piled rubble. It may not be pretty, but it shouldn't be very difficult to accomplish.
Please don't tell me that you lost the new sailfin blenny.
Losses so far
Sailfin blenny
Dragon pipefish
2xbasslets
8xbarnicle blennies
5xcatlina gobies
2xother gobies
1xgreenbar
20xsnails
20xscarlets
Yeah... Not happy.
The plan Jerry is to do something that will not mess up the aquascape.... Your suggestion is possible and will be added to the list.
How about some sort of cowl type input? Use a piece of pipe cut length wise. Lay it over top of the input. Mod. the input in place now so one side is cut away. Create an array of holes along the length wise piece of pipe - the cowl. By extending the input pipe it would reduce the amount of suction in one spot so it would give any livestock a chance to escape before it was pulled in or stuck to the intake.
With some silicone rubbed over the pipe then agramax stuck to it it would conceal it fairly well. If not this idea something similar? Just brainstorming not trying to pretend I know better... You must be POed all the work and attention to detail you guys have put in. I am sure you will come up with an inventive work around. Just be careful you leave the cap on the JD... ;)
Ouch! >:(
Tim,
Have you looked at the closed loop intake strainers in Nineball's build thread? Mr Wilson just posted some new pics this morning.
Quote from: Rybren on August 17, 2010, 10:36:22 AM
Tim,
Have you looked at the closed loop intake strainers in Nineball's build thread? Mr Wilson just posted some new pics this morning.
Yeah, they look pretty neat... In-fact they are a better system...
I've got one plan right now that I will try. If it doesn't work I have to weight out the options... This build, the entire reason I did this build, was to hid all aspects of plumbing in the rockwork under corals.... If I cannot accomplish that, I think I will order a new tank. Yeah, i know.. but damn... I'm just going to be pissed off at it for 10 years, so better to get it done...
The "PLAN"
- modify the current in put strainers - I did this last night and it made a difference... I've got a few ideas on how this might be "super modified" to create a large surface area to draw from on one input...
- down size from gold series hammerheads to gold-series darts. This drops from 6500gph to 4200gph. This will not actually have much effect. The current input strainers are only allowing 4500gph or so into the system... but this will reduce noise, wattage, and also reduce somewhat the intake flow
I think I can modify the current 4" diameter input strainers to lower the flow "enough" to not be an issue. I mocked up one last night, and it really did a good job. Not sure its "fish safe" yet, but it's better for sure.
If I cannot get the 4" version working, I'm looking for 6" diameter strainers that I can use... that will be a DIY special for sure, but I am pretty sure that the increased surface area will solve the problem... then I just have to make it look good.
in the end, it all comes down to making it look good... if I cannot do that, then I'm back to the drawing board...
Tonight's test results.
Time: 8:30pm. - my clock
Temp: 82.0. - ghl temp probe
SG: Not Tested
pH: 8.02 - ghl probe
Ca: 490ppm - salfert
Alk: 7.0 - salfert
Mg: 1290ppm - salfert
Phosphates: not tested
Nitrate: not tested
So, the Ca is a tad high.. I'm aiming between 380 and 420 so I have to lower it, but 490 isn't crazy... Glad to see the other params are stable, now to work on the dosing to ensure stability... with the travel for work thats a challange, but i'll do what I can.
I have NOT decided how to solve my CL problem. At this point I've turned them off and am using 3xK3 + 1xK4 for flow... ugly, but it works.
I'm leaning towards a complete re-aquascape at this point. I know, I know... but if I take some time off work, start the project on a Thursday evening, I can basically be done and waiting for rock to cure in 4 or 5 days... This could/should fix all problems... but it's risky.... I like my wife and do not want to be divorced... again... ;)
I'm drinking with the hopes that the bottom of a glass of Rye will provide the answers... so far, two down and no answers... but I'm diligent... :)
Thanks for reading.
Tim
I'm drinking with the hopes that the bottom of a glass of Rye will provide the answers... so far, two down and no answers... but I'm diligent...
I think that we've identified the problem... you're drinking the wrong stuff. I've got a few nice single malts that are sure to provide the requisite imaginative spark.
Quote from: Homer SimpsonAlcohol... the solution to... and cause of... all life's problems.
:-)
Tonight's test results.
Time: 8:30pm. - my clock
Temp: 82.0. - ghl temp probe
SG: 1.026
pH: 8.02 - ghl probe
Ca: 520ppm - salfert
Alk: 7.0 - salfert
Mg: 1320ppm - salfert
Phosphates: 0ppm detected
Nitrate: 0.5 to 2.5ppm - salfert test... I hate this test
So, the Ca is a tad high still.... Not sure why, I will check my dosing pumps again... Thought I brought it down a bunch, but it's rising... All others are good, but not sure where the nitrates are coming from....
I have not been using phosban for a few weeks now, and I'm happy the results are stable... 0ppm...
The insane decision....
The tank will be torn down!
And rebuilt! :)
The only way to fix several problems in a way that I like, is to redo the entire internal plumbing, and set it all back up again...
Back to plan A, do the internal plumbing in DIY cement. I found some that will be ready for return to the tank in 12hrs!
The plan is to get the tank emptied to a 120gal on my floor.... I will re use this 120 gal as the breeder later on...
I think I can do the switch-a-roo in 6days. I will take off work on a Friday, monday and Tuesday and have it all done...
Ordering all parts starting this week... To be ready soon for the tear out...
QuoteThe plan is to get the tank emptied to a 120gal on my floor....
I read this quickly as "the plan is to empty 120 gallons on my floor" :P
The bigger the build, the bigger the problems it seems. Better to be frustrated short term than irritated long term.
I understand this crazy idea. its better to do things the hard way and have 100% satisfaction, then to take the easy way and only have 98%. keep us posted and take pictures, i'm sure we can learn lots.
Tim,
It's a big step, but one that I'm sure you will not regret in the long run. Some short term pain for long term gain.
Let me know if you will be needing an extra set of hands. I can't lift anything heavier than 15lbs for the next couple of months, but I'm pretty sure that the small brown bottles come in under the limit. ;D
How was MACNA and the get together with Nineball & Mr Wilson?
Thanks for understanding... Perfectionisim is a disease.... But there you have it.
I was not able to spend time with Mr.Wilson, though I did have a few conversations with Nineball and was able to invite him to dinner with us Sunday night for a treat.
If you purchase the next size up adapter, IE a 2 to 3 or 4 inch you would effectively
decrease the velocity by 50 to 100%, cut as much of the parallel sections of the adapter
as possible to reduce the profile size, drill 1/16 th diameter holes around the
circumference of the larger portion of the pipe and then weave fishing line as you would
a tennis racquet, the squares only need to be 1/4", do not try to stop sand from
entering, roll on epoxy and cover in sand or bits of rock.
tim your a hero man. ur serious on this build.
i give you 10 x boombaps.
Good luck Tim look forward to the pics and hearing what you do next with this remod reinteresting hear your projects unfold. Like Rybren said if ya need an extra set of hands LMK but I too can't lift.
Thanks everyone.
In this "re-do" there is one major constraint. My wife. And I have to agree with her 100%, I'm not throwing her under the bus on this as she is the most understanding and accepting person I know. Hell, she puts up with me.
The entire "re-do" will be "done" in 10days or less. This also includes finishing all of the wall/tank stand/painting etc. Done means "wife approved and done".
There will be a project plan for this, which I can post.
I might require and request some hands when it comes to some of the days. Thing is, as mentioned, I'm a perfectionist and would be a bit of a control freak.... so you might not want to help.... but know that if you do, I'm used to being told STFU.... ;)
Parts List:
* 12x 1.5" bulk heads
* 8 feet of 1.5" PVC
* 4 feet of 1" PVC
* PVC Glue
* Emaco s88 ci marine cement
* Acryl 60
* coarse aggregate (TBD)
* drywall & mud
* plywood (cherry)
* 2x4 for additional framing
* 120g temp-tank
* Temp Lighting Fixture
* 50feet of 1.5" spa flex
* 1.5 fittings (a few)
Unfortunately, i *might* need to get all new 1" ball valves.... which would suck.
Quote from: Hookup on September 10, 2010, 10:25:51 AM
I might require and request some hands when it comes to some of the days. Thing is, as mentioned, I'm a perfectionist and would be a bit of a control freak.... so you might not want to help.... but know that if you do, I'm used to being told STFU.... ;)
LOL - that's too funny - admittance is half the battle!
I am almost always home day time until 3 so you need help then let me know. Perfection is not a bad thing just tough with this hobby... ;) Your braver than me. I would make a few changes on my system and rebuild if I could but I won't. All in all can't wait to see what ya all come with on this project should be a masterpiece!
did you get a new skimmer? hows it pulling
Did not install yet... :( I'm waiting on the mega project...
which begins.... TONIGHT.
A photo-montage will follow... ;)
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Huge SNAFU!
I no longer have access to cement for the project this weekend...
The goal now is to;
1) tear down the 180 - transfer into the 120g on the floor
2) move closedloop pumps & plumbing into the basement under tank
3) finish the tank stand/cabinet and the "wall side"
4) complete the closed loop
5) model the internal pipes/frame for aquascaping
6) connect the Orca II Pro skimmer
If I can get all of that done, it'll be pretty darn amazing.
The cement, ready for tank use within 12hrs, will arrive on Wednesday next week, so I will start on the aquascaping next weekend... I cannot have the 120g on the floor for several weeks... this is not an option...
Tank is down... Plumbing is ripped out, mostly... Tomorrow begins the closed loop work that is outside the tank... And some drywall work... And some finishing work....
It was a good evening.
It would seem we both have skimmers to install.
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You sir, are one crazy mother....
Hahaha. Size does matter!
Someone hates me... Plumbing that I paid 157$ in shipping did not arrive... I ordered it 3 days grace and paid for two day shipping and today is the 4th day... It was not in Ogdensburg....
I have enuf to get going, and yes, work begins in 30 min, but grrrr... I'm angry.
Www.flexPVC.com and I are going to have words... For the record, this is 3 for three screwed up shipments from them... You have been informed.... Shopp at own risk
Good to know! I just got back from lowes and $200 later still missing parts. I was just about to make an order with flexPVC.com.... Maybe I will wait
Worked until about 10pm last night. Got a good plan of attack started, closed loop pumps ate under the floor, duct work re routed, air exchanger is in a temporary place...
Have to fly to Philly this am, sitting in the airport now, so photos when I get back tomorrow night. I did take a bunch...
Big huge to do list... But progress was good.
Flexpvc does have some very neet pieces but buyer beware there...
I have ordered odd ball dog legs and such from them and not once has my order been on time and several times it was incomplete....
Lets see some new pics of the remodeling thought.
No pics of me inside that tank though!
Photos soon... Landed 3 hours late from delayed flights.. Feeling tired... Photos tomorrow after work...
Would you stop teasing us with these pictures. I'm getting blue bio-balls.
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Quote from: JD on October 02, 2010, 08:48:34 AM
It would seem we both have skimmers to install.
Show off!!!
Your tank stand puts my tank to shame...I dont care to see your flippin skimmer!!!!!!
;)
EXSQUEEZE ME!
;) ;) ;) ;)
I has been like forever with no updates, how's the rebuild coming?
It's coming... ;)
The cement is going thru the process of dropping in pH. I hope to return my live stock to the display this week.
Things are looking good, IMHO. Photos have been taken for much of the build, though I admit the covering of pipes in cement did not get photo documented.
Maybe I can post some photo teasers tonight after work. If I cannot, it'll be Thursday as I'm traveling this week quite a bit.
ÂÂfinally he`s home, time to un-set bags,
his trip,-i mean, tanks more delayed, than jet lag..
i head bang, -to the size of his skimmer,
i don't-know-if he shops-there, but tims is a winner..
i ate fajitas for diner,
but....
is this a wrap? i think-knot..because of the tie
i sink rocks,
but im not aquascaper,
the epitome of
.
.
.
a evil caper
LOL and awesome...
pH probe has been recalibrated... And more cure time is required than I thought....
Photo teasers soon...maybe Pat will post the corn storm video?
Must be my old and tired eyes, but I can't see any pictures.... I know that you must have posted them, cause you said you would. Plus, you've been posting in other threads, so I know that you're still alive.
As I said, it must be my eyes...
Quote from: Rybren on December 02, 2010, 03:41:35 PM
Must be my old and tired eyes, but I can't see any pictures.... I know that you must have posted them, cause you said you would. Plus, you've been posting in other threads, so I know that you're still alive.
As I said, it must be my eyes...
Fear not, you are nt alone. My eyes are getting old too. Can't see any pictures either.
Time for new glasses I guess.
While filling the display with RO/DI the cheap heater exploded in the night. The house smells, the water ruined. Basically a restart on the fill. Argh
ouch sorry to hear that good luck and it looks good though.
Tim,
Sorry to hear about the heater. Talk about bad luck.
If I were you, I'd just blame it on Pat and move forward.
Yeah that really sucks!
Not sure I would call a Marine land stealth or whatever a cheap heater but still, a real PITA.
So much for the heater beeing "unbreakable"
Sorry to hear.
Nothing worse than set backs NOT caused by ourselves.
Go Titanium for heaters, I did.
The Marine land stealth heaters have a really bad rep on RC. There are quite a few threads on them going bad and killing tanks.
On the plus side, Marineland is apparently good about giving replacements, not that I'd want one.
I had one go squirrelly on a freshwater tank a few ago. The tank heated up to over 90 degrees.
Pictures this week???
Well the heater selection issue may have been my fault - not the heater failing.... but choosing this heater....
Hookup does have a titanium heater + heater controller for his display that works VERY well.
But I was out in Kanata and picked up a heater for him for heating RO water. The Marineland Stealth heater said it was shatterproof and could come out of water safely I thought it was the best option available there for its intended purpose and I picked it up intown to support local business.
I missed the line on the packaging though that read:
"May explode of it own accord, wipe out your tank and potentially burn your house to the ground"
That line may have changed my mind about choosing this heater.....
Good thing your son noticed it right away though Hookup!
An update... An awesome friend, Shaun, happened to have about 120gallons of salt water mixed in his house.. so during the snow-fall yesterday evening we pumped it from his house, into 50gal bins and into my display... yep... display is full of fresh-mix.
All params were 100% perfect (Temp,Sg,pH that is) as of 8am when I left the house so a transfer of livestock will begin tonight.
The 120gal temp tank will be recycled and used as a cool RO/DI & Salt-water making station in the basement.
im not threatening you, but u know im a fighter..
get that camera ready - peter parker,
cuz we on the line like a fallen spider!!
grab your bic, flick, and start your lighter
how i raise heat , and melt plastic
in on the rebound, snap-back, -the elastic
everyone soft like nerf,
i was born on a air plane
i been on top since birth!!
Xfer was successful with no immediate signs of dammage The room is being painted today. I really do not want to show the tank without the lights hung and the corals scattered around... I do have many photos I will attempt to photo tonight....
There are 65 photos and one video. Sorry, Pat (Redbelly) has the video on his camera, so it cannot be posted... I can show bags of corn.
Might as well get started.
The emptying of the display into a 120gallon that lived on the floor for the 5 weeks.
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Dis-assembly of the old plumbing that was the root of the problem.
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The "problem area" under the display where a new hole needs to go... the freezer needs to move and the air exchanger needs to be re-located... (sorry for the rotated photo)
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A hole will appear here... 14" by 4" The largest "standard" floor vent cover size available...
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And some plumbing parts... this accounted for about 25% of the parts purchased and about 40% of the parts used... I have an amazing collection of 1" - 0.5" fittings left over (for sale too btw).
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installation of the closed loop pumps under the floor to hide the noise (insulation still needs to be added to get even lower noise levels, but this isn't bad.
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The tank gets some drywall and clean up on this side (dining room)
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Now the fun can begin... internal flow/plumbing. Getting this done was no easy ticket. Having loads of parts on-hand was the key to creativity IMO... being able to reach for just about any part and fitting worked very well... in the end I'd say this took upwards of 16 hours to get completed.
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This is under the tank, it's upside down (sorry)
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Flow lines were drawn and alignment lines were added so that we could glue things into the correct final positions.
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The Closed Loop input screens were created by gluing two screens together and cutting a hole in the top of one (or bottom depending on your point of view) so that it could thread onto a fitting.
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Some more photos of the plumbing.
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As you can see we are filling the tank to do a series of flow tests. The goal was to ensure that once we encased the pipes in cement that the flow was already "ideal" or as close as possible. So we filled er up and turned on the closed loop pumps.... Now all that was needed was a way to see the flow...
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Yes, frozen corn. Almost nutrally boyant, but slight tendancy to sink... So in goes a bag and on go the pumps... and we are in a corn-storm!
(VIDEO OF THIS FROM REDBELLY eventually)
now that the plumbing is all tuned out the entire pipe works are transfered to a board with matched holes to the bottom of the tank so that it could be worked on safely...
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Cement is added over a period of about 4 weeks. This is the only photo of the process. Mainly because it was a mess and I was just getting the job done... this was getting old and I wanted to power thru...
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And the final product... these 4 taken tonight.
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So that brings you all up to date.
There is a to-do list, when isn't there...
The SUMP room is getting a complete overhaul tomorrow evening (that's the plan anyhow) including a new skimmer (ORCA PRO II) and some new layout. I've decided to recycle the 120gallon temp tank as a water making and mixing station. I'll throw in a divider and have a 60gal RO/DI reservoir and a 60g salt-mix reservoir. I will be adding in all kinds of pumps and a control (switch) panel to move water from chamber to chamber and in and out of the system in a very easy fashion... thats a project for much later though.. After a year, i'm a bit projected out...
The display is currenlty NOT connected to the sump, which is why you see a lower waterline in the final photos. That will be fixed this week as well...
I have only two fish in the display. ONE yellow Assessor and ONE Yellow-Bellied Hippo Tang. I will post up a stocking list (or ideas) later...
MILLIPORA and MONTIPORA are pretty much going to dominate this tank. I just love them and the colors...
MOST (80%) of my coral stock is forsale... postings to come, but it is a possible hidden agenda for an upcoming salty-sundays.... ;)
Talk about Reefer Madness. You truly are an addict.
Thanks for the update. It was, I'm sure, a ton of work, but the results are phenomenal. You guys did an awesome job on covering the pipes. Would you use the Emco (?) product again?
I'm sure that in time, the tank will truly be a sight to behold. Great job!
That is a pretty amazing build. Thanks for sharing the photos.
I am no saltie but I can say that is some awesome work, cant wait to see it once it is stocked and established.
Well done
I can truly appreciate the time required to execute your dream.
Good job! Gotta love it when a plan comes together!
Quote from: Rybren on December 07, 2010, 07:23:17 PM
Talk about Reefer Madness. You truly are an addict.
Thanks for the update. It was, I'm sure, a ton of work, but the results are phenomenal. You guys did an awesome job on covering the pipes. Would you use the Emco (?) product again?
I'm sure that in time, the tank will truly be a sight to behold. Great job!
Thanks very much Rybren for the help and motivation.
I would not recommend the EMACO S88CI for this project. It has some properties that I did not like. Though this was the only product that I knew of... therefore the choice was more straight forward.
Quote from: Severum on December 07, 2010, 10:06:04 PM
That is a pretty amazing build. Thanks for sharing the photos.
Thanks very much. I'm not done with photos... I was looking at them last night, and more over, looking at the tank and really want to take some better quality photos. Look for more regular updates.
Quote from: Brent Shaver on December 07, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
I am no saltie but I can say that is some awesome work, cant wait to see it once it is stocked and established.
Well done
Thanks Brent. The rebuild, which is captured in the photos just posted, will ring in at about 200 man hours. I really have to thank many people who contributed, but above all
redbelly was a driving force more than once, calling me to tell me it was time to keep working... and to get my but out of the chair.... the coming over and getting my butt out of the chair... he is a champion and the success of this build is directly related to his experience and knowledge... of course if it fails it's because I enforced my ideas over his recommendations... so on that note, we know where the weaknesses are.
Quote from: JD on December 08, 2010, 05:28:25 AM
I can truly appreciate the time required to execute your dream.
Good job! Gotta love it when a plan comes together!
Thanks pal. I know you have an amazing setup (multiple) and have more water flowing through pvc pipes in your house than air in your duct work.... and your corals are a pretty impressive site, at least the last time i saw them ;)
If I can get my tank to 1/2 what your's is, i'll be a happy guy.
PS: i'm looking for interesting monti and milli's.
I'm no saltie either but what you have done is beautiful!
Quote from: sas on December 08, 2010, 09:41:09 AM
I'm no saltie either but what you have done is beautiful!
Thank you SAS for your kind words. This project has taken 13 months to complete and really so much credit goes to my wife. Her tolerance for having the house torn'up for that long is outstanding, then when you add to it that this is on the main floor of our house, in the area we live in every single day, and having to look at disaster for 13months is really a testament to how lucky I am.
Wow Tim - my mouth drooped when I saw the last picture...what an amazing set-up. I have enjoyed reading this thread over the last year and thank you for sharing these latest pictures. Congrats on a job well done - to you and all your helpers! Just breathtaking!
Quote from: holachicka on December 08, 2010, 11:21:38 AM
Wow Tim - my mouth drooped when I saw the last picture...what an amazing set-up. I have enjoyed reading this thread over the last year and thank you for sharing these latest pictures. Congrats on a job well done - to you and all your helpers! Just breathtaking!
Thanks chicka... This has felt like an epic adventure, but I am so energized just looking at the results... which are two fish and a jumble of corals... I cannot wait to get some livestock going again in a week or so when things settle out....
I must admit, I haven't been following this thread too closely, but I will read it all now.
That's a very novel approach to an in-wall tank. Love the look. Don't know if I have the patience to design and build that plumbing system though.
Awesome job - looks fantastic. I'm envious, and inspired.
Quote from: Saltcreep on December 08, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
I must admit, I haven't been following this thread too closely, but I will read it all now.
That's a very novel approach to an in-wall tank. Love the look. Don't know if I have the patience to design and build that plumbing system though.
Awesome job - looks fantastic. I'm envious, and inspired.
Glad you like what we were able to accomplish. There is so much to do, but it will be fun now.
Quote from: Hookup on December 07, 2010, 06:22:09 PM
The Closed Loop input screens were created by gluing two screens together and cutting a hole in the top of one (or bottom depending on your point of view) so that it could thread onto a fitting.
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Cool. I like that. Can you please explain this input screen a bit more? What's the material used for the screens? Where did you get it?
Sure thing.
I wanted to make sure the screens could be unscrewed and cleaned out so I got the following piece from FlexPVC (warning, they suck for many reasons, but they have these fittings so what are you going to do)..
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Take two fittings, one will be hacked up, the other will be original.
Then I traced the approximate diameter of the 1.5" threaded to slip fitting that would be used to end the input line and screw on and off the screen onto ONE of the screens...
I used a dremel(sp) tool to cut the circular (ish) shape out of the screen.
Then I glued the edges of the "modified screen" to the edge of the original screen and the result is in the photo above.
Hope that helps... sorry I didn't take any "creation" photos.
Tim, you done did it again! awsomeness is your middle name now enjoy it! What did you do with all your fish? That achillies was spectacular. Again you have set the bar higher than us mear mortals could reach (pls dont throw lightning bolts at us oh great reef god). Let me know what corals you have sps wise, my tank is ready to go. ;D
Quote from: salvini55 on December 09, 2010, 12:00:16 PM
Tim, you done did it again! awsomeness is your middle name now enjoy it! What did you do with all your fish? That achillies was spectacular. Again you have set the bar higher than us mear mortals could reach (pls dont throw lightning bolts at us oh great reef god). Let me know what corals you have sps wise, my tank is ready to go. ;D
Thank you for the laugh! That's awesome... Tonight, and forever more, I will dawn a toga and olive branch head gear while drinking sweet-wine from a golden gem encrusted goblet in front of my tank! There will be no photos of that moment in case you were curious. haha...
The fish, what a sad story. Like homework, my dog ate them.... cept instead of telling fibs to my teacher covering for me chasing frogs after school and not doing my assignments, the dog really did eat them....
They jumped out and were never to be found... the list includes;
1) Achllies tang
2) 4 line wrasse
3) Various gobies
4) 2x Picasso Perc's
and possibly others that I no longer want to think about...
In losses, going from the old 90gal corner to this setup have been massive... coral loss, fish loss, fish-killing overflows... and of course, none of the corals or clams which I do not want any longer died, only the cool stuff....
I really cannot think about it because I start doing math and that ends up bad just about every time....
Saw this tank last night. Freag-a-duh its nice. 4 sided viewable in 2 rooms is the way to go. The tank looks even better in person than it does is the photos. All that hard work has paid off.
And I believe Tim is starting his own plumbing parts store from his basement.
Thanks Vafa... sorry about that missing bulkhead I thought I had at least two but it seems that I had been raided already by Pat or Shawn... ;)
I'm pretty jazzed myself, and now that the sump is online and running with the system, it's even better, IMO anyhow...
For those who remember, the overflow design needed to be dead-silent.... Let me tell you... with EVERYTHING turned off in the house, like 4am sneaking home kind of quite, you cannot hear ANYTHING but the faintest little trickle that is almost undetectable. These overflows are DEAD-SILENT period end of story.... and I am that guy who complains about any noise... They are easily handling the flow, and doing so like champs! I'm estimating about 30 inches of skimming and pulling down about 1/16th of an inch of water! TRUE surface skimming for sure...
So I just read all of this 27 page posts, and man WOW is all I can say, this is one of the most amazing designs I have seen, looking at all the plumbing and what not I was like what is going on, and to have the pleasure to see this all come together in the end is awe inspiring. Truly amazing!!!!
Breathtakingly great work
Wow Darth, thanks for the kind words, but I'm even more impressed you read through 27pages of "where are the photos?", "any updates yet?"... Hahaha
The hope of any build thread, I think, is to entertain and I hope you were entertained a little anyhow.
well I waited till the pics were up I been seeing this thread for a loooong time, and then once the end result was up, I decided to go along on the journey, and it was most impressive (especially the wife) my wife would have killed me after about 13 min!! LOL
Quote from: Hookup on December 08, 2010, 09:10:43 AM
Thanks very much. I'm not done with photos... I was looking at them last night, and more over, looking at the tank and really want to take some better quality photos. Look for more regular updates.
All I can say is WOW. Unbelievable build and final result!!
I've got a Nikon D90 with some fancy lenses, if you want me to come and take some pictures for you just let me know...free of charge for getting a chance to see this awesome tank in person.
Quote from: Hookup on December 09, 2010, 01:27:36 PM
The fish, what a sad story. Like homework, my dog ate them.... cept instead of telling fibs to my teacher covering for me chasing frogs after school and not doing my assignments, the dog really did eat them....
They jumped out and were never to be found... the list includes;
1) Achllies tang
2) 4 line wrasse
3) Various gobies
4) 2x Picasso Perc's
and possibly others that I no longer want to think about...
In losses, going from the old 90gal corner to this setup have been massive... coral loss, fish loss, fish-killing overflows... and of course, none of the corals or clams which I do not want any longer died, only the cool stuff....
I really cannot think about it because I start doing math and that ends up bad just about every time....
that is devastating but I feel your pain, I also lost quite a bit due to my noobness moving a tank. Thinking of it in terms of money takes a stiff drink to absorb.
any chance that pats going to post the flow vid???? ;) Im wanna see those flow patterns (trying to maximize mine and looking for ideas)
I have to edit the video down to size.
Not sure if I can et it posted this weekend but I am sure I can early next week.
Quote from: Stussi613 on December 10, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
All I can say is WOW. Unbelievable build and final result!!
I've got a Nikon D90 with some fancy lenses, if you want me to come and take some pictures for you just let me know...free of charge for getting a chance to see this awesome tank in person.
Thanks for the positive comments!
We should get together for some photo shooting... But i have cannon. Are we even aloud to shoot the same thing at the same time or are we risking putting the earth off-axis? Hahaha.
Thanks AZ for the help today.. I'll post some photos of the new critters and corals.
you are welcome Tim, setup is looking very nice.
we lowered the ATI to within 1/2 inch of the tank last night, to prevent jumping... no losses... however, we had a power-outage today... yeah... found the aurora goby on the floor... silly goby... floors are for people, tanks are for fish... (he's back in, but i'm do not think we found him in time... )
One tail spot has found a pretty cool home up by an overflow... would be wicked if he stayed there.
oh no he was gorgeus. best to hold the fish gently infront of a powerhead(not crazy flow) for a min or 2, increases survival rate of jumpers by 500%.
he seems to be doing better... I had to knock some hermits off of him for the first 20min, but after 2 hours he's swimming and any hermit that comes near gets a tail swish in the face... he will now be known as Lucky
Here are some updated photos for those who asked.
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Absolutely beautiful, with everything you went through to get here I am glad it turned out so well.
So when is the poker game with a view? grins
OVAS POKER?
DAMN, now that's good planning.
I will host a game for sure.
I'd go for one next WEDNESDAY Dec 15th. (lets start a thread)
I love poker... Texas Hold'em that is.
Brent, fire up a new thread on this if you're serious and we'll get it done... BYOB of course.
Wow Hookup, it's finally all come together, and it looks amazing!!!
Awesome stuff, I can't wait to see it mature!
Quote from: Cheebs on December 13, 2010, 03:26:09 PM
Wow Hookup, it's finally all come together, and it looks amazing!!!
Awesome stuff, I can't wait to see it mature!
You and me both! The best is yet to come for sure... this is just "good bones" for an end product.
I'm looking forward to having my corals back into my tank and getting some fish populations back again... The tank looks so empty it makes me sad... but happy too... going to have some fun with fish selections for sure... bring on the goby's and blenny's...
Well one thing for sure is that you didn't lose the WOW factor.
Quote from: Hookup on December 11, 2010, 10:35:27 AM
Thanks for the positive comments!
We should get together for some photo shooting... But i have cannon. Are we even aloud to shoot the same thing at the same time or are we risking putting the earth off-axis? Hahaha.
Nikon and Canon shooters can actually co-exist in the same room, at the same time, with the same subject without tearing the space|time continuum assuming one of two things is true:
1. The Canon shooter realizes he is the presence of a much better camera
2. The subject is a kicka$$ tank that deserves to have lots of photo's taken of it
In all seriousness, the debate over which is better changes about every other week. I shoot Nikon because Canon chose to cripple all of my old lenses from my AE1 when they switched to digital.
If I was going to buy a new all purpose camera tomorrow and didn't have a few grand worth of lenses already kicking around the T2i would be at the top of my list.
I love the finished product! I can't wait to see the video of the Corn-quarium in action though. And I can't wait to see how you get it fully stocked! Did you have to cure the Concrete so it doesn't leech? I don't think I remember reading anything about that part but I might be mistaken..
Congrats! And I am sure your wife is happy she doesn't have to look at a hole in the wall anymore :P Well, its still a hole but an entertaining one at that! :D
Extremely informative. Enjoyed being witness to your progress....and frustrations. Congratulations.
Quote from: Stussi613 on December 13, 2010, 09:09:02 PM
Nikon and Canon shooters can actually co-exist in the same room, at the same time, with the same subject without tearing the space|time continuum assuming one of two things is true:
1. The Canon shooter realizes he is the presence of a much better camera
2. The subject is a kicka$$ tank that deserves to have lots of photo's taken of it
In all seriousness, the debate over which is better changes about every other week. I shoot Nikon because Canon chose to cripple all of my old lenses from my AE1 when they switched to digital.
If I was going to buy a new all purpose camera tomorrow and didn't have a few grand worth of lenses already kicking around the T2i would be at the top of my list.
Once the tank is a bit more filled in, like when m corals are back in and the ugly brown phase is over we will have to set up some time to shoot...
Quote from: JetJumper on December 13, 2010, 11:15:59 PM
I love the finished product! I can't wait to see the video of the Corn-quarium in action though. And I can't wait to see how you get it fully stocked! Did you have to cure the Concrete so it doesn't leech? I don't think I remember reading anything about that part but I might be mistaken..
Congrats! And I am sure your wife is happy she doesn't have to look at a hole in the wall anymore :P Well, its still a hole but an entertaining one at that! :D
I haven't seen it either, of course I was there.. Haha. It was very cool when happening... That said, with so much rock and I adjusted back the flow for sand... It is not really representative any longer.. But it was fun,
Quote from: Nelson on December 14, 2010, 08:26:29 AM
Extremely informative. Enjoyed being witness to your progress....and frustrations. Congratulations.
There were some good times for sure... Some pain and regret. But the end result, which is really just the beginning, is pretty cool.
tim that pwns. thats some modern steez. and give it 10boombaps and 1 dj.
One word....... WICKED!
That's one heck of a showpiece!!!
Did someone say poker???
Hey Tim, I love Hold em. If you ever get a game going and need an extra player let me know.I don't think Brent will invite me back to play since I won the two games we played. ;D
hey bud, got an update for the new year... I got the red warning trying to post :o
I have no updates... :(
The tank is doing ok, but at present I'm fighting to color up the SPS... And LPS.. I started dosing maybe a bit high... Like back before I lost so many corals and after 4 weeks of not dosing Ca or Mg they are finally back in range. Ca was 420 wednesday night and Mg was 1400+. Insane...
My corals are growing...
However my monti caps are dying.. Not sure why, they bleach out then die... Lost most of one that was 2x2 inch and the other is bleaching...
Amazing polyp extension on most, but not all SPS...
My current thinking is the tank is too nutrient free... So I've been adding fish... A little fish poop can go a long way...
Quote from: Hookup on March 18, 2011, 05:56:56 AM
However my monti caps are dying.. Not sure why, they bleach out then die... Lost most of one that was 2x2 inch and the other is bleaching...
I had monti caps bleaching too. Too much light. I moved them off into a darker corner, now, colours are awesome.
Just my two cents.
you must have updated photos. please share the amazement.
I'm sorry for not updating... For 9 of the past 9 weeks i've been taveling... yes two of those were on vacation, but it's been a load of work related travel... and fighting to get my tank color and growth back on track has been.... problematic so I've just not wanted to take any photos...
This weekend I will try to take the hour and get some decent photos of the tank, FTS included, and post them to the thread... Thanks for your understanding.
looking great !
love the wall finish.. steel and wood on that side of the wall.. looks amazing !
where did you get those walls ?
You and Pat did some amazing work.. will be keeping on eye on this thread.
Some updates;
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wahoo pictures! haha..
Looking good so far.
I might have missed this, but did you have to cure the DIY rockwork?
Quote from: JetJumper on April 10, 2011, 10:23:34 PM
wahoo pictures! haha..
Looking good so far.
I might have missed this, but did you have to cure the DIY rockwork?
Yep...took about 2 weeks...
It's looking fantastic!!
Tim been some time since I caught up on your thread but it did not disappoint a fantastic and amazing accomplishment! I remember when you said you were not happy with how it was working and you were tearing down and ordering a new tank WOW some project and patience looks fantastic can't imagine what it will look like this time next year? You should be very proud of this project it is top shelf!
Thanks Cheebs and Dan... I'm very happy with it now.
I've got to get a bunch more corals into the system, so my focus is there right now and I have a few fish that i am working to locate.
1) Yellow Tail Tamarin Wrasse x1
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2) Red Tail Tamarin Wrasse x1
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3) Trima Gobies (Both types x 8 = 16 gobies)
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4) Barnacle Blennies x 10
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5) Pearly Jawfish x4
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That should hold me ;)
Holy Jumpin'! If your tank wasn't so ginormous I'd say you'd have bioload problems.
That's gonna look sweet!
Wow... wow again
thanks for sharing
Two words:
... awesome
(The other I can't post or I'll be reported.)
Update photos! Sorry it has been a while... but here are some photos of the system!
Dining room side
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Family room side
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Right Side
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Left Side wide
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Left Side tight
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I hope you enjoy!
LOL sorry about the watermark... I guess the last time i did post-processing I was helping ReefWholesale...
Were you not supposed to post a video of the corn floating around in your tank? :P
Yeah I have that vid, sorry about that.
I will see if I can dig it up in the next few days and get it posted.
Not gonna happen today though as I am sick at the moment.
When did you move your photosynthetic gorgonia?
They were growing and looking really good in the center of the tank.
i like em better in their new spot... they are not "show piece" center of the tank pieces.... though they are good.
wow the flame wrasse is looking really nice in your tank.
"My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell all my stuff for what I said I paid for it."
What a great line Hookup....
WOW that is so cool a tank dude top marks all around! It is stunning and the work you put really shows great effort Tim hope your proud of your efforts.
a few more photos..
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Almost makes me wanna be a fish just so I could live in your tank. WOW!
haha I have to agree with Randy!!
AWESOME looking tank and beautiful layout!! :)
Hey Hookup, any updates on this beauty?
Quote from: Hookup on May 18, 2011, 10:55:55 PM
a few more photos..
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That is an AMAZING shot, you should send it in to Popular Photography magazine...
very nice tank love the set up you have
Quote from: Cheebs on August 19, 2011, 02:36:27 PM
Hey Hookup, any updates on this beauty?
Got bored.. Sold it all...
haha...you soooooo fanny......
Thanks Hookup. That was the best $50 I've ever spent.
Some update photos... sorry not too many...
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And a preview of the next phase...
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Got some nice plates there.
You're catching up to me.
You target feed them now?
FTS? :D
Ditto JetJumper
FTS and we don't care what side you shoot & post.
Congrats Tim, hope its up to your high standards and it makes you happy.
Cuz, isn't that what matters?
We are all envious and wish we could be half as successful as you have been with this mega-project.
BTW have a Merry Christmas (am I allowed to say that here) If I have offended anyone - TOO FREAKIN BAD
FTS is coming then... Have to shoot and post
Quote from: Bob P on December 20, 2011, 07:21:51 PM
Got some nice plates there.
You're catching up to me.
You target feed them now?
Not exactly... they do get food dropped on them ... but i do not specifically feed them at this time. i will start feeding them in the near future the faunamarin LPS food, if I can keep the blood shrimp off of them long enough... scavenging little b-tards. lol
Quote from: Hookup on December 21, 2011, 09:35:12 AM
I can keep the blood shrimp off of them long enough... scavenging little b-tards. lol
haha, these guys are a pain for this!!! I try to flick them off with a stick while the coral is pulling in the food, however when they team up its a little difficult!
great photos, those plates are insane
It's the lighting that brings out that color... Couldn't grow em under it alone, but they do make for pretty crazy colors eh?
FTS and one extra. Sorry the img quality is poor.. i rushed these.
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Now THAT'S what I'm talking about. Gorgeous!
Woo, looking good Tim! Hows the NPS doing? Still having feeding issues?
Looking good! I am sure the hydro company love you! ahha
Quote from: salvini55 on December 30, 2011, 11:31:35 PM
Woo, looking good Tim! Hows the NPS doing? Still having feeding issues?
Nps are suffering... Due to my not feeding them.
They will be fine, I don't think any are too far gone...
I like the dining room side view more.
this is going tobe a very nice tank in another yr or less.....
RC tank of the month nice.
I know that I've already commented on that other site, but to complete my stalking....
Great tank.
I second AZ... I sense a TOTM in your future.
The tank has my vote for TOTY, and I second AZ, I like the dining room side better. Makes for a much quieter dinner, wish i thought of that. lol
Thanks for the kind words. The tank as so far to go yet. 12 months or so and it should be rocking a bit more...
:)
Wow what a gorgeous tank! You certainly have a talent and eye for design. I vote TOTY too. Our 180g will never look this good.
Very kind words and I do apericiate them all... Honestly.
But when I look at the tank, most of what I see is the problems, issues and distance to go yet...
I had to frag up a coral tonight that was stn'ing on me... Not sure why, but it's another example of where I'm still having issues.
Sometimes it's nice to just sit back and peer over the pictures of where it was and contrast these to where it is now; then you may come to truly appreciate what you have managed to accomplish, create a beautiful tank.
Hookup what's your secret about your tank it's so amazing really admire. Man this tank should be in RC reef tank of the month very beautiful :)
Looking good. How do you find the surface skimming with those drain setups?
are you still happy with T5 lighting?
Quote from: delslo on January 11, 2012, 11:51:56 PM
Sometimes it's nice to just sit back and peer over the pictures of where it was and contrast these to where it is now; then you may come to truly appreciate what you have managed to accomplish, create a beautiful tank.
Build threads are my favorite of all time. I look at so many threads each week from various sites. They give me so many ideas of what to do, or insight into other ways to make a successful tank. They are such a great resource of information, and heck, it's always neat to see 10 frags stuck to a pile of rock progress to full-blown coral colonies over a few years... just awesome.
Quote from: kole18 on January 11, 2012, 11:59:12 PM
Hookup what's your secret about your tank it's so amazing really admire. Man this tank should be in RC reef tank of the month very beautiful :)
Thanks Kole18. The secret is being lucky. I am just lucky so far. I do my weekly water changes of 50gal now like clockwork. Run the baling method using FM salts, and use Royal Nature salt (premium salt).... I also say that filter socks are a big part of the success. They do need to be changed every 2-3 days, but they trap out so much before it can turn into phosphate/nitrate.
But not everything is perfect... far from. I had to frag up a green cap last night (photoed on previous page) as it started to RTN on me over 2 days... no idea why... possibly some salt-creep that does occasionally build up on my display dropped onto him, or the flux in salinity (was at 1.027 and droped to 1.024 in 30min) effected him the most? not sure... My Milipora are still poo-brown... and my dino egg/fire engine red monti is faded out as well... i also have an infestation of slime-producing worms on my rock work that i've been killing off... and i do have a very minor, but slowly getting worse, bubble algae issue i'm working on... ALso, the second Reeflow pump is about to break and has to be replaced at cost because no more warranty is left... and my sump needs a rebuild cause the flow is not correct (dangerous in a power-outtage)...
But that's what is so great, there is always something to do... keeps you busy...
Quote from: veron on January 12, 2012, 10:22:24 AM
Looking good. How do you find the surface skimming with those drain setups?
are you still happy with T5 lighting?
The surface skimming seems to be ok. Great maybe even. I do not get any surface "skum" built up at all and both skimming represent about 28" of skimming area (4.5" * PI) each = 14+ inches each. food and what not that doesnt sink is quickly pulled over and caught in filter socks. The noise on them... bwahaha... dead silent.... i mean dead silent like sitting with a book at 2am you hear the lights hum, not the drains... also the depth of water they are skimming is about 1/8th of an inch... so it's really surface stuff only...
The T5 lighting is awesome. Love it. It looks clean and cool. I don't like the 800watts, but going to an all LED solution is not possible at this time, (a) money and (b) not sure LED's will grow my corals.
I will be adding reefbrites to my system. soon. I had a test strip up and it looked like someone photoshoped my tank... but they are expensive at 60" lengths x2 and it's just for colored effects so i'm not ready to throw down that cash...
and my osmoslator broke... and is out of warranty... and i tried to fixed it... and it's fixed for ever... HRMMMM now i will have to go buy a new good one that works... :)
Yup corals don't like low salinity although it should be ok around 1.023 or 0.24 , but it prepares higher than normaly supposed to be. So I kept my salinity 1.025 - 1.026 seems all sps like higher salinity, yup can't be perfect always something to work on your tank specially that size lots of work to mentain your system but all in all your tank is so amazing keep up the good work hopefully to see your tank at RC' tank of month:)
Honestly... WOW. my jaw dropped looking at the final photos. reading from start to finish was waaaaaaaaaay better then paying attention to GEOG yesterday and today :) amazing job!
Sick tank for sure. The attention to detail is what impressed me the most.
I am curious about the RTN.
What brand test kits do you use?
Are you dosing anything that you are not able to test for?
Quote from: bettabreeder on January 12, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
Honestly... WOW. my jaw dropped looking at the final photos. reading from start to finish was waaaaaaaaaay better then paying attention to GEOG yesterday and today :) amazing job!
Thanks for the compliments very much! GEOG being Geography, i can concur... LOL.. i'd rather surf the web then look at rocks too... haha.
Quote from: xenon on January 12, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
Sick tank for sure. The attention to detail is what impressed me the most.
I am curious about the RTN.
What brand test kits do you use?
Are you dosing anything that you are not able to test for?
RTN - you and me both. The one spot where the RTN was that I didn't quite get fragged out has RTN'd some more!!! for crying out loud. But all the "hacks" where I broke the coral are doing fine... SPS are an enigma at times i guess...
I use a few different ones... Salfiert for Alk, Mg, Ca, Nitrate. Hanna for Alk, Phosphate, Ca, Salinity
Daily (or every few days) I use Hanna for Alk and Salinity and Salifert for Ca. But the Ca for Hanna is more accurate on the Hanna, just harder to use.
I do dose trace elements which I do not test for. The baling system from FM.
That suck once the sps start to bleached the entire colony started to wiped out. My pink millie a month ago I've lost the entire colony maybe because of the bio-pellets I hated it now back normal seems everything a bit growing colors starting to show :) goodluck hookup hope everything will be ok.
We'll see if I can keep up with this. The idea is to make this thread my log-book for my testing and tank maintenance. I was trying to remember things, cause I do not write anything down, and it's biting me in the butt right now.
There won't be any consistent format, just jotted notes.
Testing
Salinity - 1.025 (Hanna Digital Checker)
pH - 8.314 (ghl pH probe - last calibration 3 months -its due)
ORP - didn't check
Temp - seemed normal (hand in tank method)
Ca - 459ppm (Hanna Digital Checker)
Alk - 132ppm (perfect)
Mg - 1280ppm (Salifert)
Observations:
Overall color continues to improve. Growth seems stable.
Several of the milipora continue to color up SLOWLY. The pink mili has nice baby-blue PE with one or two tips finally having the "show color" florescent reds...
The LPS appear to be fading. This has been on-going trend for a few weeks. Suspect nutrient levels, or chemical imbalance.
The highlighter yellow monticap does not appear to be any worse. Suspect that the areas of tissue loss are from the changes in flow.
The FireEngineRed Monti is coloring back up... still no idea what has him pissed off... seems to be over it though. LIkely high Ca.
One of the Anthais, suspect the one that had pop-eye, is being reclusive again.
PBT has one spot of ICK on his left pectoral fin (btw, pretty common to come and go over the weeks)
TwoSpot Gobie stomach still looks descended, need to find better ways to feed him.
I've got rtn when installed my bio-pellets just tottally heat most of my sps colony, I took it off ASAP saw my corals are dying 3 months ago. I dose coral-vite essential elements, cal, alk & salinity those 2 are my main goal to keep it in stable my parameteres . other than anything not really doing any test for mag, nitrates & pho . all I know corals are comming back the colors & starting to show a sign of life again in my tank. Last night I'd just installed my phos-reactor & now heading to mscape to buy some hermits as well snail to get rid off all my hair algeas my tangs are so lazy bum not eating all my algeas it prepares home made food :) bugger!
Testing
Salinity - 1.024 (Hanna digital checker)
PH -8.37 (ghl probe - I believe this was what it actually was last test.. I typoed)
Temp - feels about right
ORP - 232 ghl needs calibration IMO
Ca - 433ppm (Hanna digital checker)
ALK - 136ppm (Hanna digital checker)
Observations
The RTN is not happening. Seems fragging did the trick
PBT shows no sign of ICK
Gobies look better, been feeding Cyclopees frozen en-masse
Color continues about the same.
LPS are stable, but not improving.
Testing
Salinity - 1.025
Temp - 25
pH - 8.32
Ca- 400ppm
ALK - 9.8
Mg - 1470ppm
Observations
Meh... Some corals have been struggling. Others coloring. Not sure wtf.
Yellow tailed tamarin - lost :(
Yasha Haze - lost :(
Everything else good
Back from Toronto. Did the tour for the first time.
Reef raft - outstanding corals. Sps were meh that day, LPS were best I've ever seen! Bring $$$$
Aquatic Kingdom - kinda dirty when I went. Meh corals, but cheap.
North America Fisg Breeders - nice fish. Healthy, clean... But kinda cramped over all and a bit crowded for space. Nice ppl.
Oakville Reef Gallery - pretty knowledgeable, smaller place and some great high-end dry goods.
Big Al's Oakville - wow. Very clean! Very healthy! Still a big Al's, but wow! I was mega impressed.
Forty Fathoms - WOW. Mega clean, super nice guy, no smelly fish place... Haha. Not a tone of ultra-rare pieces like Reef Raft, but one of the cleanest, healthiest places I've ever been in. Nice!
I did pickup a piece at Reef Raft and a test kit from ORG. Anything that I wanted was crazy $$$ at reef raft. Like $600 for a 3" echno... Ummmm.
Forty Fathoms in Gananoque? Or is there one in Toronto as well?
Quote from: Dakotamay on February 05, 2012, 10:46:45 PM
Forty Fathoms in Gananoque? Or is there one in Toronto as well?
Gananoque is on the way to Toronto and I highly doubt there is another fish store called Forty Fathoms in the entire planet. lol
I know where it is. I deal exclusively with Jim. I live 40 minutes drive from Jim in Brockville. Between Ottawa and Kingston.
xenon, Just for interest sake. There is another store in the entire planet lmao, in the UK called Forty Fathoms. Here's their site. http://www.fortyfathoms.com/. They are Forty Fathoms Aquarium and Pond Centre. So,your comment was very rude and uncalled for.
Jim's site is www.fortyfathoms.net.
Hey Hookup, can I ask why you made the comment "no smelly fish place...."?
Im guessing Forty Fathoms isn't a "smelly fish place" hence the comment...I guess hookup can verify...
Quote from: brotherluv on February 06, 2012, 07:51:05 AM
Im guessing Forty Fathoms isn't a "smelly fish place" hence the comment...I guess hookup can verify...
Exactly.
Quote from: Dakotamay on February 06, 2012, 07:19:24 AM
So,your comment was very rude and uncalled for.
I didn't find their comment rude at all? ???
I did. It felt to me that I was being ridiculed or treated as if I was stupid for asking to clarify the store's location. Maybe it's just me that saw it that way.
Quote from: JetJumper on February 06, 2012, 08:38:21 AM
I didn't find their comment rude at all? ???
What the ?
I've been down to Forty Fathoms.
Sure was a ton of pressure on my ears. ;)
I've been 20,000 leagues under the sea...my ears were a popping! ;D
Anyhow, tank looks great Hookup.
Hahahahahahahaha, this is tooooo funny.
Winter Blah's
Getting loopy, c'mon summer. 8)
Update
Well the tank was doing great up until about the first week of Jan... then things just looked... "stalled". which is why I started logging progress here about the same time. In the past 6 weeks growth has stopped, color has declined a bit and monti caps and encrusting monti's are taking a beating... digi's are doing better than ever.. LPS are still struggling...
I've traced it back to one of two events that occurred that week.
phosban & carbon
I did a change out of my phosban and carbon and probably added about 20%-30% more of each this time as I had been slowing increasing the volume of each for the past 6 months. This could have stripped out nutrients too fast or something along those lines and caused the issue, but I cannot see why it would only effect some corals and not others. It would account for the LPS issues however the color of most corals didn't go pastel which is a sign of ultra-low nutrient.
expired trace-b complex
I did also mix a new batch of Ca for dosing and added some trace-b complex to it. This turned my Ca dosing water brown/rust colored... which at the time I thought weird... and just let it go about its way.. I took this off about a week ago and have been changing water like mad (200g in 5 days) and things have turned a corner.
My guess is the combo of using expired trace-b additives to the Ca dosing and the big increase in carbon and phosban are the root of the two issues... but i'm not sure...
What i am sure of... water-changes like crazy have again turned my tank back around and 'reset' the water column... It's bloody expensive mistakes to fix with RoyalNature salt, but no question hard-core-water-changes (HCWC haha) fixes all.
Unfortunately, it's all speculation, but the current state is a better state so I can start to add corals in a few weeks...
Cuba
And I leave for Cuba for a week on Wednesday morning... so we'll see what kind of disaster I return to now that I just got it back and stable... /sigh
glad you managed to turn things around, any pics of your corals?
If nothing malfunctions I'm sure the tank will look better than before you left for Cuba Tim. I'd love to see some sps macros when you have time :)
bump! We want an update ;D
sorry, ive started a new job two weeks ago and been living in toronto 3+ days a week... barely enough time to clean the glass let alone take photos... :(
With the long weekend i'll try to take some shots... ive been looking at the tank lately and pretty happy with most of it (some of the LPS are still struggling)... and thinking a few photos are in order...
well, that's some kind of update. Good luck with the new job!
lol... srry... will get something with more meat soon.
Feel free to move the tank to my place. I'd glady care for it as if it were my own while you're away. You'd have visitation rights, of course.
32 pages later I realize I should have started on page 26 ... Lol, j/k. Was a great journey -- awesome tank! One of the best builds I've seen, and I'm all about lurking forums! Told my wife that you were cool for replacing a kitchen/living room wall for a tank... I'm going to let that simmer with her for a little while longer..lol. Looking forward to all the updates!
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Wow!!
How has running the tank been so far? Does it involve a fair amount of maintenance? Do you find it builds up sometimes? It looks amazing.
Quote from: Chubs on February 28, 2013, 11:34:14 AM
How has running the tank been so far? Does it involve a fair amount of maintenance? Do you find it builds up sometimes? It looks amazing.
Thanks Chubs for the compliment! It means a lot coming from an accomplished reefer.
The tank has had its ups and down. Had some AEFW to deal with and some monit-eating nudi's as well. Recently had a battle with ALK, only to find out the dosing line had become disconnected...
The Maintenance is pretty simple.
Feeding fish every day. Auto-Feeder with a mix of FM foods (3 types)
Manually feeding pellets (4 types)
Manually feeding NORI sheets
Manually feeding frozen cubes (6 cubes/day)
Weekly clean glass (should be every 4 days)
Weekly change filter socks (should be every 3 days)
Every Other Week Change Water
Every Other Week Clean Skimmer (should be weekly)
Every 2 months change Carbon and Phosban
Every 2 months clean UV Steralizer
Every 12 months clean sump (pull out most of the rock, vaccume up any detritus, clean and inspect the sump, put it all back together)
Every 12 months put new RO/DI filters in place.
The maintenace gets overwhelming because life gets in the way and this "chore" takes a back seat. It might be time to clean the glass, but its nice out and we want to go skiiing as a family... or someething along those lines. I'm way past due on my 12month chores...
I also will be changing lighting soon... stay tuned.
Tim what happen to your stag in the middle? If I remember you have a bigger colony of stag & looks amazing , as well good selection of fish.
Hi Hookup,
Great looking tank - I guess it's been up for just over a year. If you were going to start over again, do you have any recommendations on what you would do differently, and what you would do the same?
Been a while, wanted to share a photo update with you all.
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Tim!
The tank is looking great. Good to see that you've recovered.
I wish I could say that mine has bounced back as nicely.
those pictures are way too nice
Amazing photos and tank! It really is a work of art.
Wow! What a tank, great shots. It looks fantastic!
I read through the thread. That must have been a very hard decision to rebuild the tank. The pictures prove that it was well worth it. Good call.
Who did you order the tank from? The take away for me is reconfirmation of all requirements / options before production starts. I don't imagine the tank was cheap so it's not the type of thing you would naturally think to do. When you are paying for quality you expect perfection.
Did you ever hook the motors up to control them with 0-10v?
Unreal. Gorgeous corals and some great shots. Glad to see everything's coming back nicely. If a chunk of that orange/purple/green chalice ever falls off.... :P
Wow, an awesome and amazing beautiful tank. Congratulations!!
Tim, good to hear from you!
Your tank is looking awesome.
Thanks for sharing such beautiful pictures.
Have a great 2014!
Quote from: Dxpert on January 19, 2014, 01:21:43 PM
Wow! What a tank, great shots. It looks fantastic!
I read through the thread. That must have been a very hard decision to rebuild the tank. The pictures prove that it was well worth it. Good call.
Who did you order the tank from? The take away for me is reconfirmation of all requirements / options before production starts. I don't imagine the tank was cheap so it's not the type of thing you would naturally think to do. When you are paying for quality you expect perfection.
Did you ever hook the motors up to control them with 0-10v?
Thanks for the kind words.
I never did attempt the variable speed flow. I've been fixated on getting DC pumps into my CL, which hasn't happened yet due to price and reliability.
The tank is from miracles ... Great company. I'd suggest you deal with them direct as they are very good at customer service.
Quote from: Rybren on January 18, 2014, 10:52:50 PM
Tim!
The tank is looking great. Good to see that you've recovered.
I wish I could say that mine has bounced back as nicely.
Sorry to hear you are having troubles Ryben. All the best in 2014 to you!
Quote from: Herstead on January 18, 2014, 11:39:30 PM
Amazing photos and tank! It really is a work of art.
Thank you. It has been a very long journey.
Quote from: robt18 on January 20, 2014, 09:00:20 AM
Unreal. Gorgeous corals and some great shots. Glad to see everything's coming back nicely. If a chunk of that orange/purple/green chalice ever falls off.... :P
Thanks sir!
Haha that coral cost me an arm an a leg. But it's the show piece chalice. As has an amazing assortment of these in his shop. Tell em your looking for a frag of it, I think he has some.
I'll frag that eventually as well, but not likely till 2015 when it's much bigger.
Quote from: ramblnpony on January 20, 2014, 11:30:17 AM
Wow, an awesome and amazing beautiful tank. Congratulations!!
Thank you. It has been a joy building ans maintaining this system,
Quote from: ajm1961 on January 20, 2014, 07:43:42 PM
Tim, good to hear from you!
Your tank is looking awesome.
Thanks for sharing such beautiful pictures.
Have a great 2014!
Thank you Andre. All the best to you and yours in 2014.