I have a question...

[shannon333]

Hello,

Hows it going?
I was wondering, why are you banning people who leave thier opinion and/or are trying to help Ovas grow as a community by giving thier suggestions and ideas ?
Do you not want people to join?
Is this what you guys want? A close-knit group that no one is allowed in unless they are sheeple?

To me that isn't allowing the hobby of aquaria to grow, it just looks like Yous are degressing instead of progressing.

I'm on no ones side, I'm just wondering??

Cause so far all you've done is just divide the hobby into this group and that group.

Wouldn't Ovas benefit more if you open up all your forums to everyone, not just to members?
I know for a fact that it would benefit everyone. your revenue would go up, people would want to become apart of ovas and more info about the hobby would spread.

Like they say..
One group benefits another and V.S.

Haven't you ever wondered why they pair restaurants together? Its because they benefit each other.
Wendy's and Tim Hortons.
McDonalds and swiss Chalet.
Harveys and Dairy Queen.

Economics 101.
If you haven't gotten my point ,You never will.
I don't expect you to answer my questions.(and if you do it'll be defensive excuses)
You'll most likely ban me too.

[shannon333]

That seems a little harsh at the end.
Its not meant to be.

And no one start a fued please, this is only meant for Ovas.

No arguements, no opinions, no horrible-ness...

If there are nasty posts,  i'll have my answer as to why ovas keeps banning people.

Plain and simple, this is meant for ovas, no one else.

:0)

[Fishnut]

Plain and simple.  They did not abide by the rules of the forum.  Nothing more.  

You may not see it because we have great moderators who have deleted everything offensive.

Also, we have one pesky person who was banned for very good reasons and who creates a new forum name for himself almost every week...sometimes several times a day if he's being a royal pain. So you may be seeing him banned a lot because as soon as we identify the same IP address, the account gets banned.

Some people have nothing better to do I guess.  Sad waste of a life, really.  Meh...to each his own.

[charlie]

Thanks for your question, apart from what fishnut has stated in an attempt to give you a answer, if you know of anyone who was banned from this forum without breaking the rules that is posted on this forum but seldom read, please do provide the facts to us via e mail, PM or in person at our exec. meeting.
The exec is always open to hear the facts that you may have regardless of if you are a member ,non member - salty or freshie.
Looking forward to hearing from you in E mail,PM or in person
Charlie/Errol Choo
President

[shannon333]

That explains it.
All those bannings are basically just one person?!!
Wow!
I've talked to a few people that have been banned for opinions, links, and posts.
You may have a nutcase that keeps coming back, but you also knock people off for getting upset about things (and instead of talking to them and smoothing things over...its wham -bam- see-you man)
And what about sponsors bashing members, is there a double standard?
I mean, just because they are sponsors doesn't give them the right to bash members and get away with it while at the same time people being banned.
Isn't the whole point of Ovas, is to give everyone the same rules?equally? (not to just brush things away)
To me your not promoting the hobby at all.
Banning people for posting links about aquaria, treating everyone differently, closing half the site to people,etc
Will you ever open up all the forums again to everyone?
You would get so much more interest and memberships.

It just seems so closed.

[shannon333]

...was just wondering.
There two sides to every story.

...and not everyone gives full details on what really happens.

[Fishnut]

Read the rules when it comes to posting links.  It's quite clear.

There is a 3 step process to banning, so if someone is banned for an opinion, perhaps they expressed it in a way that got them banned.

PM me with the sponsor situation.  If you get specific her you will be violating the rules.

[zenins]

This sounds like some of the same problems that affect many on-line forums.

If you don't follow the terms of service that you agreed to when you signed up for forum membership,
including being respectful and making statements with tact, you will be banned.

Unfortunately, since being on an on-line forum means you are not in the same room or talking face to face,
many people post comments that they would probably never state in person.

Sometimes, previewing your post before others see it, re-reading it and waiting a few minutes and re-reading and editing it before posting it, does help with the tone of the post.  
Reading it out loud before posting helps to edit as well.

Again, unfortunately, some people do not take the time to compose their posts in a thoughtful and respectful manner, and then they wonder why they get banned.

I have seen this many times on my home forum, and with a hundred posts a day, you are bound to get some hot heads who then upset others.
I am not saying everone should be like sheep, but please state your position with respect and some supporting statements that encourage discussion, not an argument.

These are just my opinions from many years of being on forums ... remember in the end it is the fish that matter in this hobby

[Greatwhite]

One forum I used to frequent had a policy TO abuse people who asked dumb questions, it seems.  It took me a few days to remember that OVAS is in Ottawa, not Toronto where the other forum was based.  The "main people" were the WORST for bashing people for making mistakes rather than guiding them to fix the mistake and prevent them from making it again.

[JetJumper]

If you don't follow the terms of service that you agreed to when you signed up for forum membership,
including being respectful and making statements with tact, you will be banned.

Unfortunately I am going to have to hold you to that   your Signature has a link to an outside site   Sorry!

[shannon333]

:0)

[Fishnut]

Then I guess this means that we will have to vote to amend the rules to allow people to add links other aquarium clubs that are registered with CAOAC.  Until then, the link can stay.

[Greatwhite]

Seriously - what is the purpose of this thread?  You came on with a "legit question" that was actually posed QUITE rudely, and then said "if I get a rude response to this, then I will have my answer".  How can you not expect to get an response in the same tone as what you posted?

Now I'm not an exec, and things that I may say have no ties to the execs. I have no reason to stand up for the execs' decisions, nor do I have any reason to take any side in the discussion.  BUT I will ALWAYS take a stand against unnecessary attacks and BULLYING, which you are attempting to do right now.

Please, before you hit Post, read what you have typed... (Although somehow I think that all of these "misunderstandings" are 100% intentional)

edited per discussion with GreatWhite

[Stussi613]

It's almost as if there is a planned attack on OVAS execs

This.

[Fishnut]

It's almost as if there is a planned attack on OVAS execs

Yup

[markw]

Seriously - what is the purpose of this thread?  You came on with a "legit question" that was actually posed QUITE rudely, and then said "if I get a rude response to this, then I will have my answer".  How can you not expect to get an response in the same tone as what you posted?

Now I'm not an exec, and things that I may say have no ties to the execs. I have no reason to stand up for the execs' decisions, nor do I have any reason to take any side in the discussion.  BUT I will ALWAYS take a stand against unnecessary attacks and BULLYING, which you are attempting to do right now.

Please, before you hit Post, read what you have typed... (Although somehow I think that all of these "misunderstandings" are 100% intentional)
Absolutely, I saw this as it was intended! An intentional deliberate malice attack, under the guise of a bunch of misinformed rumours. Still trying to remember where I saw the great team of Harvey's and Dairy Queen.

edited per discussion with GreatWhite

[Greatwhite]

Still trying to remember where I saw the great team of Harvey's and Dairy Queen.

I would never leave if there was such a place.

[Stussi613]

There's a Quiznos attached to a Dairy Queen in Kanata, pretty good place to have lunch.

[zenins]

Unfortunately I am going to have to hold you to that   your Signature has a link to an outside site   Sorry!

Good point, I will amend my signature block until the terms of service have been amended.

I must have "skimmed" right over that when reading the rules ... heh

[Nerine]

Unfortunately I am going to have to hold you to that   your Signature has a link to an outside site   Sorry!

zenins is part of our sister club....that shouldn't be an issue as it's not really "outside" !!!